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Quote: bren2k "This is such an infantile level of debate, it's almost pointless to engage with... but - instead of one liners and rhetoric, what actual policies are you referring to?'"


Scrapping Tuition Fees
Nationalise Water Industries
Increase Income Tax
More Free Childcare
10,000 new Police Officers
3,000 new Firefighters
Reverse Privatisation of Royal Mail

but they are manifesto stuff, there don't seem to be many actual policy details

so TAX and SPEND

Entirely idealogical, uncosted, all ready to empty the coffers again.

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“At last, a real, Tory budget,” Daily Mail 24/9/22 "It may be that the honourable gentleman doesn't like mixing with his own side … but we on this side have a more convivial, fraternal spirit." Jacob Rees-Mogg 21/10/21 A member of the Guardian-reading, tofu-eating wokerati.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_755.jpg



Quote: IR80 " I am just a bit more open minded than following politics that punish people that I am jealous of, '"

I am in the higher tax band & would benefit from Boris's policy. Try again.
Quote: IR80 "I don't expect state handouts,'"
I have worked without interruption for 42 years. Try again.

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Quote: tigertot "I am in the higher tax band & would benefit from Boris's policy. Try again.
I have worked without interruption for 42 years. Try again.'"

How very self centred to think I was referring solely to you?

Congratulations on 42 years without interruption, think of all the handouts for others who don't have your work ethic you have funded and helped bloat the welfare state.

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Quote: IR80 "Scrapping Tuition Fees
Nationalise Water Industries
Increase Income Tax
More Free Childcare
10,000 new Police Officers
3,000 new Firefighters
Reverse Privatisation of Royal Mail

but they are manifesto stuff, there don't seem to be many actual policy details

so TAX and SPEND

Entirely idealogical, uncosted, all ready to empty the coffers again.'"


The water and rail industries need nationalising, a complete and utter Tory shambles.
They are not proper private industries either, just fatcat pay and bonuses with tied customers paying vast prices for crap services, no competition at all.

And Southern Water just been fined again by the regulator for polluting the south coast beaches with raw sewage and manipulating the test data to cover it up, again, this time 126 million, and guess who will end up paying that?
Another thatcher failure paid for by the taxpayer

And not to mention the financial crisis of 2010, caused by the bank gamblers but bailed out by socialism.s

And on and on, but when the average English guy is so stupid and propagandised , good work if you can get it.

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Quote: Superblue "The water and rail industries need nationalising, a complete and utter Tory shambles.
They are not proper private industries either, just fatcat pay and bonuses with tied customers paying vast prices for crap services, no competition at all.

And Southern Water just been fined again by the regulator for polluting the south coast beaches with raw sewage and manipulating the test data to cover it up, again, this time 126 million, and guess who will end up paying that?
Another thatcher failure paid for by the taxpayer

And not to mention the financial crisis of 2010, caused by the bank gamblers but bailed out by socialism.s

And on and on, but when the average English guy is so stupid and propagandised , good work if you can get it.'"


Old school Socialists STILL blaming the greatest leader the country has ever seen.

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Quote: IR80 "Scrapping Tuition Fees - correcting a historical wrong that the Fib Dems helped to shepherd through, despite promising not to
Nationalise Water Industries - cost neutral
Increase Income Tax - for only the very top earners
More Free Childcare - to enable more people (particularly women) to return to work
10,000 new Police Officers - replacing the savage Tory cuts that even Hunt has admitted went too far
3,000 new Firefighters - see above
Reverse Privatisation of Royal Mail - it was a scam in the first place, and sold for way below the actual value

but they are manifesto stuff, there don't seem to be many actual policy details

so TAX and SPEND

Entirely idealogical, uncosted, all ready to empty the coffers again.'"


All of those things were manifesto commitments, and that manifesto has been independently adjudged to have been properly costed; and polling suggests that the majority of the public are supportive of the big ticket items, particularly renationalising the essential services that are now run primarily to enrich share holders.

It's got absolutely nothing to do with the politics of envy - and everything to do with the politics of fairness; unfettered capitalism is a failure - we need something new.

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Quote: IR80 "Old school Socialists STILL blaming the greatest leader the country has ever seen.'"


INNNCCOOOMMMIIINNNNGGGGG

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Quote: IR80 "Old school Socialists STILL blaming the greatest leader the country has ever seen.'"


And there you go, the average English guy to whom I was referring.

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Quote: IR80 "Old school Socialists STILL blaming the greatest leader the country has ever seen.'"


Let's have a sweepstake, how long will Standee last this time?

Thirty nine days is my bid.

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Quote: Sandro II Terrorista "Let's have a sweepstake, how long will Standee last this time?'"

Aye, the pervading smell of rotting fish that was latterly MGarbutt returns. Same Mail/Sun headlines, still not a shred of credible evidence to support his bile.

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And now BoJo says he's prepared to increase public spending. I'm sure the Daily Mailers will be outraged.

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Quote: King Street Cat "And now BoJo says he's prepared to increase public spending'"

..........while cutting taxation.

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Quote: King Street Cat "And now BoJo says he's prepared to increase public spending. I'm sure the Daily Mailers will be outraged.'"


You have to remember that Bojo loves a false promise.

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Four months to go, although only 3 months and 1 week after the new leader of the Conservatives is chosen.

Not much of a much clearer idea of the final plan than on June 24, 2016.

Has any country ever focused so hard and for so long on one thing without even being able come up with a plan?

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Quote: Mild Rover "Four months to go, although only 3 months and 1 week after the new leader of the Conservatives is chosen.

Not much of a much clearer idea of the final plan than on June 24, 2016.

Has any country ever focused so hard and for so long on one thing without even being able come up with a plan?'"


It does make you smile when Boris (and Hunt) are promising so much, without the budgetary back up and still having the same 650 MP to try and manipulate to pass their version of Brexit and both of them actually think that they can negotiate something new by the end of October.

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