Toronto as made UK news this morning, a nutter on a gun spree killing 1 and injuring 13. As you say its not just a USA problem

USA obviously does have a gun problem but they love their guns more than their children.

Exactly like I said RoyBoy...can happen anywhere in this crazy new world we have created. Not limited to USA.

There is a gun problem there...no one has denied that. You should not be too quick to condemn though....I believe, from memory, the village was called Dunblane.

And the response to Dunblane was the tightening of gun laws in the UK.

No such response in the USA.

Hence my statement that they love their guns more than their children.

Yes it was - it triggered a reform to gun laws in this country that made them even harder to get hold of and banned private ownership of high calibre handguns and later, .22 calibre handguns; there was also an amnesty, which took about 170k handguns out of circulation.

So, that's one way to respond; another way is to arm teachers.

Crazy talk...arming teachers is stupid plain and simple.

Have to agree with you there

Do you have any idea how many students would end up getting shot?--- and some parents too! Sure wouldn't want to be in admin....what a crazy idea.

For clarity - that was my point; legislating to remove guns seems like the only logical way to respond. The US gun lobby, and Trump, calling to arm teachers is an outrageously stupid idea, in an age when stupid has become the new normal.

This totally ignores the problems of stolen and illegally imported/purchased firearms. You can't legislate a convicted felon (already banned from owning a gun) to not purchase a weapon on the black market and then use it....how would you propose to do this?

Also, if you are so opposed to guns why is your username a famous light machine gun? Seems odd is all.

I didn't say for a minute that it solved the problem - but it certainly tackled a big part of it; if a person can't obtain a firearm legitimately, then it's not available to be stolen, yes?

As for the illegal import and more latterly, the conversion of blank or replica pistols (what the police call 'junk firearms') - I believe that did rise after the legislation was introduced; I don't know how you tackle that - but I would argue that slashing police budgets and removing 20k frontline police officers is probably not part of a wise prevention strategy.



It's my name you plonker.

So you have no answer to my question about illegal imports...your situation is far different from ours being on a far distant island. Canada shares the longest undefended border in the world with the US. Firearms are very cheap in the US and easy to get across the border....how do you stop someone from walking across an undefended border point with a pistol?.....and please don't say by spending more, and more, and more....doesn't mitigate the problem. You have no idea in Europe of the geographic size of the border over here.

So your parents called you after a light machine gun...interesting....I fired a Bren before and I liked it....a beautiful weapon.

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