Money to spend on food in London is not pocket money.

You will have to expand on your classic comment. Most disasters / major accidents are subject to an enquiry. Quite obviously so remedial action can take place. Eg Kings Cross fire disaster, major changes were instigated regarding fire alarms, fire protection. Even fire fighters radios which did not work underground.
Murdoch press?. Grenfell Tower support group site actually,in fact one of the problems the council is facing is many of the survivors are living in serviced apartments. They don’t want to leave, can’t blame them really. To try tempt them to leave the council have offered to pay the first years rent and utilities in the new council houses. The government is footing the bill for all this. Horrible tories throwing money at people,disgraceful. We will gloss over cases coming out of fraud relating to Grenfell. Possibly because everybody will blame it on Murdoch/ daily mail etc etc.

Is Asda really so much more expensive in London?

Look, I'm not going vilify the survivors, but let's not pretend they've been thrown on the street without a bean. £300 per person for food & drink is plenty to live comfortably. My entire weekly shop for a family of 3 averages around £150 plus small top-ups.

Exactly. Construction is my profession so I have a particular interest. I read some initial findings on Grenfell inquiry this week which are damning of the whole construction industry & process, & are spot on in my view. This is nearly a year after the tragedy. The Salisbury tragedy should be afforded the same level of scrutiny before jumping to convenient conclusions.

Could you please tell me the difference between Russian money, Saudi Arabian money , also money coming in from Cayman Islands and other offshore sources. Potentially all these sources may have a question mark over them. Jezza and his mates hate the city with a passion, conveniently overlooking the fact the massive tax input that comes from it. The French and Germans make no secret of the fact they want some of that business. I am certain that they wouldn’t be looking to closely at money sources .

What on earth are you whittering about?

Tell me, what about the Salisbury investigation has failed in terms of due process and rule of law? Answer: nothing. Unless you believe the tripe pouring out of Moscow, of course. And the dithering Comrade Cob for that matter. The police investigation is ongoing and the OPCW are following their procedures. In no way, shape or form have I or anyone brushed rule of law aside - because that it exactly what is happening.

Blinkered leftist Corbynites simply cannot see it and follow their leader by supporting any anti-UK/Tory sentiment. You're blurting out a lot of empty words and casting accusations with zero grounding in reality. What you're saying simply isn't true.

A Tory party 'balls deep' in Russian money wouldn't have tabled the Magnitsky amendment or voted it in unanimously and be governing over ongoing investigations.

Tigertot. You are breath of fresh air in this thread. Someone who is actually educated enough to “get it”

Regards

King James

What makes you think they don't have firm evidence already?

Lebron logic. Because you haven't personally been handed the evidence it must be a conspiracy. Let's just ignore the facts staring you in the face and the unequivocal support from the EU and USA, who have seen the evidence and made their own judgements and taken the significant step of confronting Russia. Let's ignore the history of the victim and which nation developed this family of nerve agent, and the track record of assassinations by Russia. Let's ignore the fact some of the best scientists in this field have analysed samples of the substance. Let's just ignore everything.

For some reason you think everything should be disclosed on a rolling basis in this case. Why is that? Normally evidence disclosure waits for trial or inquest outcomes, not to satisfy RLFannys Corbynites.

Blinkered Corbynite leftists: it can't be true if the UK says it is. Keep that red flag flying, eh comrade?

Lebron, old bean, take the tin foil hat off. You're looking rather silly.

They don't even know, yet, how the stuff was administered, so how the hell they know who did it is beyond belief. I think we may well never know for certain. Not for a generation at least.

What I know or think from what I have heard & read;
Novichok was developed in the former USSR (not Russia as such) in the 70s. It has never been used by USSR/Russia.
Others may have synthesised it & developed it further. Porton Down wouldn't have been able to identify it so quickly otherwise. It can apparently be relatively easily synthesised in a standard laboratory, so the assertion it must be a nation state is cobblers.
I don't think Putin is involved (nor do any of the academic or military experts I have heard) though I think the most likely explanation is that agents allied to Putin who can act with impunity did carry it out or arranged it.
I don't think it is beyond imagination that establishment/right wing forces within this country, not directly linked to Government, saw it as a Falklands moment for an unpopular & clueless PM, or an opportunity to return to a cold war.

Very little - and Labour have been very clear about their stance on all three, so you'll feel very comfortable as a converted Corbynite. Welcome aboard comrade!

Just because we haven't been told, doesn't mean they don't know, or have some idea. As it happens you're probably correct that they don't know just yet. Administering it is a major challenge in itself, it would need a very specialist container and the precursors would possibly need to be mixed beforehand, requiring further specialist equipment and expert handling. The risks to the handler are also considerable, especially at the point of administering the agent. So how did they transport it, prepare it and administer it? Certainly not with stuff you can get at B&Q and not a job for amateurs.


They were created in Shikhany, Russia according to Vil Mirzayanov, one of the original creators - although other sites have been involved in their production and the production of precursors.

Yes, Iranian scientists - in conjunction with the OPCW - synthesised 5 Novichok agents on a micro-scale a few years ago. They already knew the structures from Mirzayanov, which would allow scientists to identify mass, IR/UV properties, nuclear magnetic resonance and other properties. In other wordsI don't think it is beyond imagination that establishment/right wing forces within this country, not directly linked to Government, saw it as a Falklands moment for an unpopular & clueless PM, or an opportunity to return to a cold war.'"

Then illegal mass surveillance of the population by police; then illegal torture of prisoners; then illegal blacklisting of trades union members; then illegally providing personal information by such organisations to police on people who have committed no crimes; then illegal hacking of campaigners & journalists accounts by a secretive Scotland Yard unit; then illegal collaboration between security forces & terrorist organisations to have individuals murdered in Northern Ireland; then undercover police officers who encouraged illegal acts; then undercover police who infiltrated environmental groups & sired children with activists; the illegal murder & torture of unarmed Iraqis etc; are all undertaken with the full knowledge & approval of the Government. But then you knew all this anyway.