Not at all Corbyn looks more like a Blair with everyday - stage managed, vacuous, insincere and in denial.

On Newsnight the Labour shadow minister suggested Labour were going to press forward with their manifesto!! until Evan pointed out they lost the election - Labour are in complete denial they got beat by 1m votes and 60 seats not a small defeat.

That's the daftest thing you've said in a while; the qualities that have won Corbyn so much support are that he's the opposite of stage managed, vacuous or in denial - he's natural, easy with real people, and he actually believes what he's saying - the latter being so rare in politics, that it's engaged many people who were previously disenfranchised.

Meanwhile, Boris does an interview on R4 and is harshly reminded by Eddie Maer that running the country is not a Bullingdon Club wheeze; if he's the best they've got to offer as an alternative, there is little wonder that the PM is being held against her will in no 10.

Labour may not be technically able to deliver their manifesto - but the election result has already forced the Tories to drop a lot of the egregious policies that their expected landslide would have allowed them to enact; and Labour will continue to frustrate them in parliament, particularly if Theresa keeps pi$$ing off the DUP.

I don't like to say I told you so - rlI [ilove[/i to say it...rl

The DUP won't like those

Corbyn held all his rallies in very safe Labour seats - are you saying that wasn't stage managed? He went to Grenfell hugged a few people and then left what practical help did or his colleagues offer? Public "shows" of sorrow are just that unless they are backed up by action? He engaged young people by offering them a huge carrot - it was the carrot and not him that got them out to vote.

Agree on Boris I thought he was smarter than that - you cannot defend the indefensible the fact May put him in that position through her own stupidity suggest she is trying quash all opposition to her leadership.

The result showed one thing if you promise everything to everybody it will have a positive impact. What it did also show id the old adage "you can fool some of the people all the time, all the people some of the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time" Their manifesto couldn't be delivered and that became more evident the more stuff they promised.

Labour will lose face if they deliberately tamper with the natural order of Parliament like a bunch of school kids.

Don't forget if Labour were in power they would be reliant on the support of Queen Nicola which would be equally as bad if not worse - I surprised she didn't stand in for the Queen yesterday

That first part of your quote highlights better than most how echo chambers work - and that probably includes me; personally, I fail to see how that size of rally in that many places could be stage managed - safe seat or not, everyone is not a Labour voter, so there would have been some dissenting voices. Contrasted with Mrs May's empty factories and remote village halls filled with party activists, councillors, or employees who were ordered to be there, he was a rock star; and at one point, he was an *actual* rock star - a stadium of 20k kids chanting his name for goodness sake!

You must remember that your conviction that the Labour manifesto was undeliverable is an opinion; there were plenty of independent analysts who said it was - and it least it was costed, so you had some actual numbers to rail against. The Tories couldn't even be d to include some basic sums - although with hindsight, that would have been wasted effort, since all their big ticket promises have been ditched anyway.

The quote above is a corker - that's called parliamentary democracy old chum; surely you wouldn't expect the opposition to roll over and vote with the government on things they've campaigned against for fear of being labelled immature? Especially not with JC in charge - he's nothing if not rebellious. I look forward to the utterly impotent Tories fail to get anything through parliament without first giving backhanders on a confidence and supply basis to the DUP - that'll go well.

The Tory MP in Shipley used parliamentary democracy to stifle a bill on equal rights i.e. he spoke for hours - that was exposed as a poor use of parliamentary democracy - what happened to him? Let's just say he will not be doing it again for a while. The public are not stupid - if the MPs could they would reverse the Brexit but they know the voting public would not stand for it. Messing around at our expense for the fun of it will do Labour no go going forwards. By all means vote against the bills but don't deliberately disrupt the process "old chum"

Yes, Philip Davies, the anti-feminist Tory MP for Shipley, tried to filibust a bill designed to protect women from domestic violence; whilst being a member of the equalities committee - that's a disgusting abuse of parliamentary process, and thank you for pointing it out.

I fail to see how that is in any way connected to the official opposition voting down bills that they oppose however; that's what they are there for.

Because if Labour try to abuse the parliamentary process - just for the sake of it - as did Mr Davies then their fate could quite easily be similar to that of Mr Davies.

I appreciate Corbyn and McDonald are having a real issue accepting the result of the GE - how they have the audacity to suggest they have more legitimacy to run the country than the Tories when 1m people less voted for them shows the arrogance of the top end of the Labour and how out of touch with reality they are.

The question of Corbyn accepting the result was even asked on QT last night

A bit like all your posts based on assumptions and guesses - kettle and pot come to mind

I am capable of making my own mind up - but for a question to be asked on QT suggests it is a real issue. McDonald asking for 1m people to flood the streets of London demanding a Labour government as they really won the election - its delusional!!

Is that a fact or an assumption on your part?

I actually think Corbyn and McDonald think they actually won - its bonkers - devoid of any reality a bit like their manifesto

I don't think it increases any pressure on the Government it just makes Labour look silly as everyone knows they are not ready to govern or they would have won the election - pretty simple really.

As I said "you can fool some of the people" the only people Labour are fooling is themselves