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Quote: Derwent "All parents are mugs when it comes to their children. However, They don't ask me to do it, I do it voluntarily because I'd rather they were spending their time having fun and enjoying life while they're young.'"


what a shame you and your kids get their values from expenditure and not expereiences.

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Quote: Standee "what a shame you and your kids get their values from expenditure and not expereiences.'"


What on earth makes you think that that is what they wrote ?

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Quote: JerryChicken "What on earth makes you think that that is what they wrote ?'"


because "I buy my childrens affection" is fairly obvious....?

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Quote: Standee "because "I buy my childrens affection" is fairly obvious....?'"


Perhaps you could point out where, in anything I wrote, I mentioned buying things for my children ? Go on Mr Knowitall, where ? The only thing I said I did for them was take their bags of old clothes to the charity shop. If that's your idea of buying affection then you have problems.

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Quote: samwire "now where did i say anything about ethics, eh?'"

Unsurprisingly, you didn't.
Also unsurprisingly, you seem to have missed the point that the ethics and morality of cheap manufacture is what the thread is about.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Of course over here a clothing firm would never be able to create jobs because some civil servant would come round the building with his clipboard saying can't build it like that it breaks some EU directive on health and safety.

Which is why everybody in the UK is unemployed and the third world is growing fast whilst we are stagnant.'"

I thought this was a wind-up until I saw your further response lower down.
So, are you are saying (because it certainly sounds like it) that when we see people being killed in unsafe buildings abroad to provide us with disposable clothing, the appropriate response is to do the same here in order to compete on price?
Please tell me you were being ironic.

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Quote: cod'ead "Your trolling on this and various other threads is becoming tedious, it wouldn't be too bad if you were any good at it but compared to some, you are a rank amateur.'"

trolling? the fact you don't like people pointing out you're posting nonsense or just plain hypocritical e is you're problem, not mine. if it bugs you that much run off and tell the teacher.

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Quote: El Barbudo "Unsurprisingly, you didn't.
Also unsurprisingly, you seem to have missed the point that the ethics and morality of cheap manufacture is what the thread is about.'"


you should read what i actually wrote in response to what was posted as opposed to just making up stuff.

it's not a question of morals or ethics, people want/have to work. before there was these sweatshops people weren't driving to the fields in rolls royces.

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Quote: samwire "it's not a question of morals or ethics, '"


Of course it is that is the whole basis of the first post.


Quote: samwire "people want/have to work. before there was these sweatshops people weren't driving to the fields in rolls royces.'"


And that means we in the West should exploit them to feed our cheap retail society?
I have no doubt that even with this work they are driving to work, nevermind in a Roller.

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Quote: samwire "trolling? the fact you don't like people pointing out you're posting nonsense or just plain hypocritical poop is you're problem, not mine. if it bugs you that much run off and tell the teacher.'"


He very kindly reposted a comment that I had made, in general, on another thread.

You have a choice.

Learn from it. Or you're history.

It's entirely up to you.

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Quote: Big Graeme "Of course it is that is the whole basis of the first post.'"

no, the first post is the usual 5 minute reaction to something that happened. next week it'll be something else. lets not pretend we give a toss, otherwise we wouldn't fill our cars with fuel from those lovely places in the middle east or use mobile phones with that ethically mined coltan.
and then there's apple, rlhttps://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jan/25/apple-child-labour-supplyrl, "demonising" children to build pretty computers, but hey, it's their "industry standard" and everyone uses 'em.

Quote: Big Graeme "And that means we in the West should exploit them to feed our cheap retail society?'"

absolutely. because no matter how crap the conditions seem to us they're better than what they were doing before, which was mainly starving. in time, things will improve.

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Quote: Mintball "Learn from it. Or you're history.

It's entirely up to you.'"


oh bless. you think i should just roll over and have my belly tickled because i don't agree with you? below seems to be all you're capable of when people don't just do that.

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Quote: samwire "

absolutely. because no matter how crap the conditions seem to us they're better than what they were doing before, which was mainly starving. in time, things will improve.'"


Without pressure things will never improve, it is naive in the extreme to think the retailers and manufacturers would seek to improve pay & conditions (and as a direct consequence, costs), without pressure from consumers.

It's not that long ago that virtually every egg and chicken sold in the UK came from battery farms, if you wanted free range, you had to buy from farm gates. Now the vast majority of eggs sold are free range and sales of free-range poultry are growing. This was a direct result of consumer pressure, following high-profile campaigning from groups with an interest in animal welfare. I can't recall the last time I heard anyone moaning about the price of eggs or chicken.

Wearing fur is now a great taboo, sweat-shop produced rags could easily go the same way. All that is required is a will and consumer pressure

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Quote: samwire "oh bless. you think i should just roll over and have my belly tickled because i don't agree with you? below seems to be all you're capable of when people don't just do that.

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Bye.

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Quote: samwire "no, the first post is the usual 5 minute reaction to something poop that happened. next week it'll be something else. lets not pretend we give a toss, otherwise we wouldn't fill our cars with fuel from those lovely places in the middle east or use mobile phones with that ethically mined coltan.
and then there's apple, rlhttps://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2013/jan/25/apple-child-labour-supplyrl, "demonising" children to build pretty computers, but hey, it's their "industry standard" and everyone uses 'em.

absolutely. because no matter how crap the conditions seem to us they're better than what they were doing before, which was mainly starving. in time, things will improve.'"

Fantastic.
Because it's "better then what they were doing before" let's use people working in conditions that we have gradually outlawed in our own country since Victorian times.
You seem to think that because you can present other examples of unethical trading that one more doesn't make any difference ... it does.
Are morals just an irrelevant nuisance to you?

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Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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