Don't think it was him who actually said that, but whoever it was, had a point that the kirkstallers can't answer.

Epicurus didn't deny the existence of "gods" per se, IIRC, just felt that if there were any anywhere, they just did their own thing whatever it is that gods do, wherever they do it, and had feck all to do with humans.

Which if by some quirk of fate we do have a local god, is certainly the attitude he she or it took to this tragedy unfolding.

In order to answer your question you need to understand the concept or sin.

The Bible tells us that the wages (punishment) of sin is death. Therefore we deserve to die as soon as we disobey God. This doesn’t happen – obviously – so we see here the patience and love of God. The fact that he lets us live at all is testament to his glory.

We should also remember that God planned the outcome of everything before he created the world. Every single electron on this planet is moving in accordance with God’s appointment. Therefore it is clear that God means everything to happen. God planned the Holocaust. God planned Dunblane. God planned 9/11.

And God planned this teenager’s tragic death.

You may find it hard to get your head around this - don’t worry, you’re not the first. However, this is reality.

So why do bad things happen? Because it is God’s righteous wrath on a disobedient people. It is not malevolent, it is just. An omnibenevolent God must be just, and God cannot simply ignore sin.

By your own logic – even that within this latest post – the 'disobedience' was created by your god. There is no 'choice' except that of god to kill people for doing what he decided they would do.

Your acquaintance with which is tenuous at best.


Here we go again...

God made man in his own image.
God planned everything.
Man did what God programmed him to do
God punishes man for doing what God programmed man to do

All so clear and logical, utterly [iproves[/i how benevolent God is, I can't imagine why the rest of us just don't go along with it ...

God's a 2@ then.

Just read the preceding "the wages of sin is death" bollox, then consider the innocents who die or are in pain, all in God's plan ... then tell me that utter contempt for the notion of a benevolent god (as described by St Kirkstall) is "aggressive".

He definitely does love us because we are alive instead of being dead. You ought to thank him for every second he keeps you alive for.

... should I also thank him for the teenager's death and for the pain and anguish her relatives will have been and probably still are suffering?

Did he not love her then?
Is he punishing her family?

I don’t know what the girl’s religious beliefs were and so it is deeply unwise to speculate on how she is feeling at the moment. Her parents, on the other hand, are probably heartbroken. I only can imagine their anguish.



God loves everyone, which is why we are not immediately killed as soon as we transgress his law.



Punishment happens after death. He may be meting out his wrath in this world, though.

What a load of utter bulldust.

He'sa fooking headbanger.
But his posts make me laugh.

That's lucky, it'd be a bit rough being killed for doing what he pre-ordained, wouldn't it?

I see. God personally controls every single subatomic particle. No wonder he's too busy to stop innocent schoolgirls being knifed to death.


This is my point. Anyone who planned that death is really, truly, unambiguously and definitely not worth "following", let alone worshipping. If god had indeed planned her death then he is a murderer too.


No, it couldn't be more straightforward. You worship a murdering scumbag with no thought for the immense grief and pain which his quixotic psychopathic tendencies brings to his "creations".


So god thought, "I'll vent my righteous wrath on a disobedient people" by arranging for a lunatic to stab an innocent schoolgirl to death. Just that one. None of her mates, or the rest of the school population. If you cannot see the lunacy of this proposition, then you really are beyond help. Your logic circuits are FUBAR. Your head isn't working any more.


Well, yes, and your is seemingly anything but just. So what does that tell you?


Yes, he can, since (by defintion) he ignores at least 99.9% of all sin, if we are all sinners, yet none of us apart from a tiny percentage meet this righteous wrath. He ignores it all. Yet serendipitously picks on a random young girl and her family and friends, and plans her death in the most sensless and cruel way. Even if you accepted the proposition that he "cannot ignore sin", why would he not start by exercising his righteous wrath on those rather more deserving?

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