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Quote: El Barbudo "

But ... is Gid moving stealthily to plan B do you think?'"


Not a chance.

Plan 'A' is driven by pure ideology and will be followed through until his final Autumn statement, when he will announce a return of the 10p tax rate and hope that plus the referendum (maybe) will be enough to fool the voters once more. The country could go to hell in a handbasket before then and he still will not change tack

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Quote: cod'ead "Not a chance.

Plan 'A' is driven by pure ideology and will be followed through until his final Autumn statement, when he will announce a return of the 10p tax rate and hope that plus the referendum (maybe) will be enough to fool the voters once more. The country could go to hell in a handbasket before then and he still will not change tack'"


I agree wholeheartedly with your comment about the real reasons for plan A... but plan A (as many of us predicted) is patently failing, even the tories are beginning to see that.
I reckon he will (too late) try and produce some cost-neutral infrastructure apparent growth-boost from his straw boater.

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Quote: El Barbudo "produce some cost-neutral infrastructure apparent growth-boost from his straw boater.'"


HS2, jam tomorrow?

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Quote: Standee "HS2, jam tomorrow?'"

Tomorrow?

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Quote: El Barbudo "Tomorrow?'"


I'll be pushing up daisies long before any HS2 train hits a northern city

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This may sound strange to a government minister looking for a good news day on something that isn't going to exist until he is long since cold and dead in the earth, but I don't want to travel from Leeds to Birmingham 50 minutes faster than I can now (who would want to get to Birmingham faster ?).

The service as operated right now is fine, its far quicker than the car, costs about the same and is just about as convenient.

All I want is for more room on the bloody thing.

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HS2 is just another grand headline grabbing plan that our inept, egotistical politicians of all parties are so fond of. It will do little to help the economy at a critical time and will no doubt drag the most indebted nation since Weimar Germany over the edge some time down the lime (as it were).

If they were serious about boosting the economy they'd put a modest part of the £32 billion into building quality council housing in the here and now. Within a year the economy would be picking up and within a couple booming. But ideology will prevent that (as it would for the modern Labour party).

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Quote: cod'ead "I'll be pushing up daisies long before any HS2 train hits a northern city'"

With all that fish you eat, you might yet live to see it. icon_wink.gif

But not in Sheffield, as the route misses the city centre by 5 miles.
Apparently, it would cost too much and slow the train down too much if it actually went into the city.

When I heard that on the news, I thought I must have misheard.

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Quote: El Barbudo "With all that fish you eat, you might yet live to see it.
They could build the station and then relocate the city

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Quote: El Barbudo "With all that fish you eat, you might yet live to see it.
Is it not going to Meadowhall, which is linked to the city by tram, right on the M1 and much better to serve the population than having to get into Sheffield City Centre?

It's not going into Nottingham either, both sensible decisions given the rush hour traffic problems experienced, surely?

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Quote: El Barbudo "With all that fish you eat, you might yet live to see it.
Using that existing line from Birmingham to Leeds there are often short delays entering both Derby and Sheffield and if you were looking to introduce another service onto that line and you could bypass Sheffield for Meadowhall then it would be a fair call if you didn't have the budget to lay a new track and build another platform just for your service.

But they're talking about possibly 30 years from now.

Jesus wept, we'll all be wearing hovver boots and flying our cars to Birmingham by then.

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Quote: Standee "Is it not going to Meadowhall, which is linked to the city by tram, right on the M1 and much better to serve the population than having to get into Sheffield City Centre?'"

But the Sheffield Tap is at Sheffield station, not Meadowhall.

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Quote: John_D "But the Sheffield Tap is at Sheffield station, not Meadowhall.'"


"Sheffield Tap"?

checked, it's a pub....not sure how it's relevant to the route of HS2 though.....

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This is the public transport infrastructure equivalent of spending £10,000 souping up an old Ford Fiesta so it goes 5mph faster.

It's not needed, it's not wanted and it's entirely too expensive for the benefit it provides.

As for the supposed boost to the "regions" now all these Londoners will be able to commute up here to work so much more quickly, has the government not realised that what will happen is the exact opposite?

Londoners will continue to work in London, they'll just buy a house somewhere in the Peak District to commute from instead of a flat in Hammersmith. Property prices in the areas served by HS2 will go through the roof, forcing more an more people out of the property market.

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Quote: Standee ""Sheffield Tap"?

checked, it's a pub....not sure how it's relevant to the route of HS2 though.....'"

It's the only reason for going to Sheffield.

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Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
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