Irrelevant. And you know it.

I'm not saying you're wrong but I'm interested to see these papers.

They'll have gone missing, like that book did a while back.

Explain Brokeback Mountain...

The gay male rats also have a distinctive effeminate squeak according to Dally's missing report.
Possibly because there's no room for their balls to drop in such overcrowded living conditions.

I'm surprised that Dally doesn't know that rlevil evolution causes homosexuality.rl

This has become very sickening. The lad ( forget his name) who accused l (lower bracket) ord McAlpine of abuse, is now being forced to be subservient again.

Just look at his posture when giving his speech, it it classic child abuse- I am wrong- act like a dog- look down, watch my bottom lip- I AM SORRY.

He has either been threatened or bought off. Listening to a body language expert last night, it's the former. When an abused item/thing/animal/person, is threatened... they revert to type, ie, a childish behaviour. Just look at his picture ffs and tell me, he has lied.


This whole inquirey, that started with Saville and went upwards, has now been deflected. The North wales's lad will now be dragged thru the mud. Daily mail has printed a story about him fiddling expenses from a few years ago. DONT FALL FOR IT. CHILDREN HAVE BEEN, AND STILL ARE STEMATICALLY BEING ABUSED.

People should start asking questions... as I said earlier, go back to Mountbatten and Dunblane and Haute de la Gaume....... " follow the trail"

Ask about Holly Greig and why a Warrington man is incarsarated because of getting too close.


ps/ the BBC sponsored CHILDREN IN NEED is next week.

Still fancy donating to a paedophile protecting fund and corporation?

The thing that is puzzling me is that neither the BBC nor Steve Messham named ANYONE at all, they asserted the belief that the young Steve Messham thought that one (one of many) of his abusers was "a senior Tory party figure".

Then Cameron gets doorstepped with a list of possible names, looks uncomfortable, embarrassed and no doubt gave someone the bollacking of their life when they were out of the ITV studios.

Within 24 hours we go from there to a position where one of Thatchers senior men is all over the media threatening to sue everyone who mentions his name and suddenly everyone piles into the BBC calling them irresponsible for suggesting that McAlpine might be anything to do with this.

But they didn't, they, and Steve Messham never mentioned any names at all.


Who is directing this storm towards the BBC, is there an agenda there, or is it a diversion technique, and why won't the Director General of the BBC just stand up and tell the truth, "We did nothing wrong in reporting an allegation from a genuinely abused person who was prepared to stand up and give his story without anonymity", its what they are supposed to do and they did well to keep the names out of their reporting.

Can there really be the in-depth partisan police inquiry into Nth Wales childcare after the PMs office has so obviously been involved now, maybe it could start with the head of Derbyshire Child Care who carried out the previous independent inquiry only to see every copied shredded as "not in the public interest", I'm sure that he would recall at least some of the detail...

The gay rat thing just happened to come up in conversation at home last night (not connected with this thread) when my daughter reminded us and Mrs Dally confirmed. The origins were an old experiment well known to psychologists, which studied the effects of over-crowding in a "rat city". One of the observations was that a number of male rats became exclusively homosexual (John Calhoun). I cannot be bothered looking up more recent research but I think read an article on the subject inn Scientific American 2 or 3 years ago, but I cannot be sure - lot's of stuff passes through our house so it could`have been anywhere. Nevertheless, Calhoun's ground-breaking work is your starting point if you wish to start looking into this further.

I must admit I too feel Cameron has enacted a case of smoks and mirrors here. As you point out the BBC didn't report anybody specific regarding these allegations yet now the Director General has fallen on his sword.

I also picked up on the alleged abuse victim's body language, looked like somebody having immense pressure put on him to shut up, although I obviously can't prove that.

Did any of you know that an American journalist Leah McGrath Goodman was banned from entering Jersey because she started investigating a cover up in the Jersey Abuse case? Seems Jimmy Saville visited the care home where the abuse took place several times too. She alleges that the original police official investigating the case was threatened that it could bring the entire British establishment down.

She was interviewed on The Keiser Report about it, it's on Youtube 12.30 minutes in if anybody wants to listen to her story.

The BBC failed to show Mr Messham a photograph of Lord McAlpine to confirm his ID. They failed to carry out any checks to establish whether he had any links to the area where the abuse took place. They ignored previous testimony that the victim believed his abuser to be dead. They failed to ask Lord McAlpine to comment on the allegations.

And yet why should they when they didn't name him ?

Its worth repeating again - the BBC did not mention McAlpine at all nor even hint that he had any involvement, at all, by asking him to comment they WOULD have involved him, for all that anyone knows he was never in the frame during the BBCs program preparation.

One thing is for certain now - the doors will be firmly locked to any further inquiry.

it all started with a tweet from an ian overton


so someone, somewhere, must have had a name. so the piece is aired and the guessing begins, which then leads to the internet going into overdrive with people like george monbiot ( rlhttps://www.monbiot.com/2012/11/10/lord-mcalpine-an-abject-apology/rl ) commenting. then phillip schofield finding a list of names in "3 minutes" to hand to the prime minister. and the one constant in all this seems to be the name mcalpine. this poor sod meesham(sp?) has been duped, and his character is now being assassinated in the mail this morning

newsnight dropped a bollock. and now the press will have a field day in the wake of the beeb seemingly claiming the moral high ground in the leveson gubbins.

They didn't name him, just pointed the figure in his direction and let Twitter do the rest.

The "we didnt name him" defense will not work when he sues them.