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| Quote: Standee "or maybe, just maybe, people can talk of their own experiences?
my experiences of Unions are, largely, positive, but when you get some local rep who has an agenda (and no f'ng brain) you can't make any progress.'"
There's nothing wrong with conveying your personal experiences, provided they then aren't held as representative of the wider union movement whose actions, ideology and history you know little about.
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| Quote: Mugwump "There's nothing wrong with conveying your personal experiences, provided they then aren't held as representative of the wider union movement whose actions, ideology and history you know little about.'"
you're making an assumption about my knowledge, based on what?
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| Quote: Mintball "Stress perhaps? Not least because of ill-informed judgmental cretins jerking their little knees orgasmically everytime the likes of Murdoch or Dacre's rags tell them that public service workers are lazy, hopeless etc etc and, of course 'don't live in the real world'.
I have a neighbour who's a teacher, who has been having to deal with a suicidal pupil probably with (inherited) bipolar. Not remotely stressful, obviously. Bet you have that all the time, don't you, dearie?
Met a trading standards officer on Friday who, with diminishing resources ('cos it's a waste of taxpayers' money, obviously) tries to catch and stop rogue traders who are ripping off elderly people for thousands of pounds. Who cares, eh? Bet a private company could do it so much better – and make a profit!
Probation officers dealing with difficult cases, resources slashed and trying to do the frontline stuff instead of the paperwork. No stress there, since the outcomes of their work are meaningless.
Social workers – villified by rabid media if anything goes wrong (even when that same cretinous right-wing media gets it wrong – as with the Baby P casegargantuan[/i degree, in one company and one company alone.
You can probably get reading and comprehension lessons; Sal, even at your time in life they might help you. Go private – you'll be helping someone make a profit.
Oh yes, those Krauts know how to tug their little forelocks etc.
So stress is more prevalent in the public sector!!! Have you got any evidence to back that up - no just another pointless ramble showing isolated cases, just like your rant about the Olympics because some food stall guy had to move for two weeks - it would be funny if it weren't so sad.
Nissan has a no strike arrangement with Unite - so effectively the union are just lap dogs - explains why the plant is so successful.
Just answer the question about the trains - not some clap trap about why it should be in public ownership - some public sector employees struggled to use Excel correctly. Interesting though how performance on the trains has improved since competition was introduced - bad stuff that competition.
Has the press ever been in public ownership? so they behaved like they always have like a private company - not sure what your point is, most scoop journalists are the pits no matter which paper they write for.
On the police - Bettinson has been forced to retire because of Hillsborough - you read into that what you like, and Sean Price was fired last week for numerous issues one of which was forcing colleagues to lie.
On the Germans suggest you dig out a Newsnight piece on Karcher where the balance of power in Germany between the unions and the bosses is very succinctly explained.
The private sector has its issues - but the public sector is not a model anyone would want to follow - it has been tried and failed miserably. The fact you thinking we should expand it shows you live in a fantasy land far from the "Real World"
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "So stress is more prevalent in the public sector!!!
The sickness rates.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "On the police - Bettinson has been forced to retire because of Hillsborough'"
OK
Nothing to do with the fact that he is under investigation by his local police authority and IPCC then?
Jumping (with full pension) before he gets pushed...
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| Quote: Standee "you're making an assumption about my knowledge, based on what?'"
Might just be something you've posted on this topic.
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| I've seen both the good and bad side of unions. Bad, in terms of representing people who have deliberately chosen not to follow organisation rules but I've also seen others persuade guilty parties to admit their offences too so it's not that straightforward. Similarly, I've seen them defend innocent workers exceptionally well against belligerent managers who have a chip on their shoulder against somebody. I've seen them represent people who've been bullied, exploited, assaulted and harassed (both sexually and racially). Unions perform a very important activity in this society and without them we'd still all be living like it was Wigan Pier.
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| Quote: McClennan " Unions perform a very important activity in this society and without them we'd still all be living like it was Wigan Pier.'"
There's plenty who still wish we were.
Maybe they should read GO's book or be transported back in time to be a guest at Mr & Mrs Brookers lodgings.
Nice tripe, shame about the constant black thumbprint in the bread.
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1977_1349889235.jpg "You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
"Dare to know!" [i:2886spie]Immanuel Kant[/i:2886spie]
"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" [i:2886spie]Elbert Hubbard[/i:2886spie]
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." [i:2886spie]Oscar Wilde[/i:2886spie]
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| Quote: McClennan "I've seen both the good and bad side of unions. Bad, in terms of representing people who have deliberately chosen not to follow organisation rules ...'"
Which is arguably what many lawyers do in some cases.
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