bitter and jealous, who'd have thought.

Why isn't Milliband on that page, or Kinnock, or Prescott?

it suits the looney left to pillory the right, but they won't expose their own.

Do you have any evidence of them offshoring money to avoid paying tax on it?

I wondered when you'd pop up with your stock "jealous" comment

It's a stock comment because it's accurate cod'ead, I'm not ssaying it's "right", but it is legal, and labour had years to change the law and never did, how many millions did Blurgh and Brownose make out of being PM.

the whole political and social "elite" are allowed to do as they please, amazing how nobody has mentioned F1 drivers domiciled in Monaco (for tax purposes) or footballers with offshore "foundations".

to make tax avoidance a Cameron issue is to be blind to the facts.

Cameron made it a Cameron issue when he publicly derided one tax avoider, whilst conveniently ignoring the many tax avoiders who fund his personal wealth and that of his party.

Spot on.
Quite what how much Blair or Brown made as PM has to do with this, or why only Labour PM's were picked out I really don't know.

Cameron described one off-shore tax dodger as "morally wrong", why won't he pick anyone else out?

Presumably by calling Jimmy Carr's affairs morally wrong Cameron is just jealous?

he was an idiot to single out one individual, I agree, but it isn't just Conservatives that enjoy a questionable tax status, see Bono for details.

I don't think anyone has ever suggested it was. The reason people are singling out Conservatives is to highlight Cameron's hypocrisy. It wouldn't be a very strong argument if they were saying, "Oi, Cameron, what about Tony Blair? He's uses 'tax efficiency' schemes too."

You don't seem to be getting the point. When a [iTory[/i Prime Minister decides to publicly criticise an individual over their tax affairs then quite understandably the focus falls on his fellow [iTories[/i - particularly those he is either close to or has defended/refused to comment on in the past. This doesn't exonerate anyone else - Cameron has made a rod for his own back here.

I also assume that you think Cameron criticised Carr out of jealousy? After all that's the only reason rich folk get criticised at all in your book, isn't it?

no, Cameron criticised Carr to try and gain some popular support.

In general people criticise those better off than them because of jealousy, or some other self interest, like bemoaning their kids having to pay for their education.

Agreed.
As I said earlier in the thread, another bandwagon passing, he jumps on board.
He thinks we're all thick.


Envy is the word you are seeking here, I think, not jealousy.
As Dally will no doubt confirm, envy is the sin, jealousy isn't.

Either way you are talking generalised bollox.
My attitudes to taxation are not based on envy, I see people worse off than me paying more tax than those better-off then me and that is plain wrong, absolutely feck-all to do with envy (or what you call jealousy).
You are not alone, there are others who frequent this board who can't grasp that fair-mindedness is not the same as envy, who can't understand any motive other than self interest.
Your view says more about the way you think than it does about those you criticise.

Well done - you've managed to accept that at least [ione[/i individual can have a range of reasons to criticise well-off folk.


A totally rubbish generalisation. Par for the course for you on this subject, mind. Not everyone on the planet is motivated by greed and self-interest only, as you appear to be.

These sweeping generalisations are fun, aren't they?

I can tell you one thing Kosh, you're a lefty who wants everyone else to pay for you and yours to do as you please

Moreover, you take what little self esteem you have from having a green username, as has been evidenced ad nauseum on the FC board over the years.

get over it, some people are way more important, qualified and intelligent than you or I will ever be.

What a load of sanctimonious, condescending twaddle

Even whilst taking the discussion towards a different topic, you are still generalising.
But hey-ho, let's do it that way ... do you really believe that poor people paying more tax than rich people is fair?