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"You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie] "Dare to know!" [i:2886spie]Immanuel Kant[/i:2886spie] "Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" [i:2886spie]Elbert Hubbard[/i:2886spie] "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." [i:2886spie]Oscar Wilde[/i:2886spie] [url=http://thevoluptuousmanifesto.blogspot.co.uk:2886spie][color=#4000FF:2886spie]The Voluptuous Manifesto[/color:2886spie][/url:2886spie] – thoughts on all sorts of stuff.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1977.jpg



Quote: Rock God X "But that is not the same as Lloyd Webber not being credible as a songwriter. Whatever you think of his ratio of good to bad songs, or of how he compares to Rogers and Hammerstein (and others), to say that the man responsible for 'Music Of The Night', 'Don't Cry For Me Argentina' and 'Love Changes Everything' is not a credible songwriter is either snobbery or stupidity. As we cannot level accusations of stupidity at you, that only leaves one option...


Not sure how you define SONGwriter? But, Lloyd Webber did not write the words to any of those.

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Quote: Mintball "But that is not the same as Lloyd Webber not being credible as a songwriter. Whatever you think of his ratio of good to bad songs, or of how he compares to Rogers and Hammerstein (and others), to say that the man responsible for 'Music Of The Night', 'Don't Cry For Me Argentina' and 'Love Changes Everything' is not a credible songwriter is either snobbery or stupidity. As we cannot level accusations of stupidity at you, that only leaves one option...

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Quote: Rock God X "And here we have the crux of the matter - it's about personal taste. I don't like much Gilbert and Sullivan stuff at all, and would say that some of the criticisms you levelled at ALW stuff was at least equally true of their work.'"



Fair comment, can't really argue with that.

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Quote: Mintball "And how much, then do such big production values provide cover for the quality (or otherwise) of the actual show, in the same way that much (not all) of the gloss of CGI etc in cinema covers for the absence of good actual vehicles?'"


Not often, I'd say.

Les Miserables is hardly a 'big' production, is it? There are hardly any props, and apart from the barricades there's hardly any scenery. All the visuals are achieved by damn good acting and clever use of a revolving stage.

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"You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie] "Dare to know!" [i:2886spie]Immanuel Kant[/i:2886spie] "Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" [i:2886spie]Elbert Hubbard[/i:2886spie] "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." [i:2886spie]Oscar Wilde[/i:2886spie] [url=http://thevoluptuousmanifesto.blogspot.co.uk:2886spie][color=#4000FF:2886spie]The Voluptuous Manifesto[/color:2886spie][/url:2886spie] – thoughts on all sorts of stuff.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1977.jpg



Quote: ROBINSON "Not often, I'd say.

Les Miserables is hardly a 'big' production, is it? There are hardly any props, and apart from the barricades there's hardly any scenery. All the visuals are achieved by damn good acting and clever use of a revolving stage.'"


It had a sense of massiveness when I saw it – the use of such a vast space (which itself demands a pretty large cast (big opera house level), and the story itself is epic (to say the least!).

I would just note that my problems with it are not the complaint that was prevalent when it opened – that classic literature shouldn't be made into musicalsMiss Saigon[/i with the helicopter (echoed more recently by having a flying car on stage in [iChitty Chitty Bang Bang[/i)

And the entire trend for thru-sung shows – started by a combination of Schönberg & Boublil, and LW – with epic storylines and big sets was repeated as though it guaranteed success. It was almost as though the musical had to become like the opera. The likes of Stephen Schwarz, whose small-scale show, [iThe Baker's Wife[/i, is a pleasure if not the greatest work of the musical theatre, next produced the utterly ridiculous [iChildren of Eden[/i, of which the least said the better.

[iMoby Dick[/i was ... well, let's not go there. There was one about Robin Hood (can't remember the name) that I walked out of at half-time and wrote probably my most negative review ever – there is a place for amateur dramaBuddy[/i was fun, as was [iFive Guys Named Moe[/i – but how many of them?!

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Quote: Scooter Nik "Fair comment, can't really argue with that.'"


Well not if you're a relativist. icon_twisted.gif

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Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "... You'd like to think so, and of course there is huge appreciation of such classical works, but nevertheless you'd have to agree that it's very much a minority interest, and that most young people are simply never introduced to classical music to any significant degree at all, and couldn't tell you one work by Mozart if you paid them ...'"


Which, you'd like to think, would be the sort of thing that edumacashun might do (as with visual art and literature). But unfortunately, that has become utterly utilitarian and we are well on our way to returning to a world where many children and young people are never exposed to things that might possibly offer them cultural mobility.

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