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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Spoken by a true lefty - we are so much more sensitive and human than those on the right - its pathetic. so what is the better scenario - we lose some people now the majority of which are elderly and have an underlying condition - many of which would have died anyway or later down the line significantly more people die through mental issues, domestic violence etc when the trashing of the economy starts to kick in. People who have worked very hard to build businesses and employ people will have lost everything through no fault of their own - this is the true human cost of this strategy. I appreciate for all you public servants this impact is completely lost as its big bad capitalism - many of these people will also lose the roof over their head - something you public servants who have never had to put your neck on the line.
So not only are people lockdown when its over you want to restrict where and when they can travel - big brother - are you for real. I would have more respect if you actually called out the real carbon polluters.
All that is going to happen here is we will all pay more taxes - simply as. It might actually force a coming together across the world on taxes paid by corporations - I would consider that a much better use of everyone's time than banning flights - the politics of envy!!'"
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
Called out for being a total idiot and you now want to come out fighting
Using your theory, bearing in mind we will all die at some point, lets just get rid of medical care entirely and let nature take it's course.
As for restricting flights, yes
If this government was "listening to the science", this is exactly what they should be doing.
Perhaps not a ban on frequent fliers but, certainly a substantial "carbon levy" after whatever agreed limit was reached.
Regarding businesses that have lost everything, through no fault of their own - I absolutely agree, there has to be a way found to allow some level of commerce, certainly within the manufacturing sector or, we will at some point end up with riots and anarchy.
I also agree about nations working better together but, with people like Trump in charge of any nation, it simply isn't going to happen - he and his ilk would see people die as long as they are ok and if you look at his handling of this, that is already happening over there - do you think he cares one iota about other people in other countries - not a chance.
Restricting flights, not banning them or, do we only listen to the science when it suits
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.
Called out for being a total idiot and you now want to come out fighting
I see the BBC have to apologise over the NHS director asking for Burberry's number - he wasn't anything to do with the NHS just a PPE supplier looking to purchase more stock - I see the BBC weren't happy the hospital doctor this morning who suggested no issue with PPE in his trust?
You obviously struggle with comprehension - but most on here know that - the government have a choice - trade short term deaths for a longer term different health crisis down the line - now dying of Covid must be pretty horrific but being beaten to death by an abusive partner wont be a barrel of laughs either - domestic violence calls up 25% do you think that will go down if this continues?
Yes we listen to the science and we take the appropriate action - so let's make a start by talking coal fired plants all over Europe, Asia and the US - planes account for about 2% of all carbon output - perhaps as you say we need to listen to the science - let's not skirt around the edges let's make a real difference - shame you went for the easy option which quite frankly will make all difference. Perhaps you are one of those who seldom uses a plane so its no skin off your nose. Business travel will decrease as people have seen the benefit of using Zoom, Blue Jeans and Teams. Also companies will have to cut back - profits and cash will be tight for quite a while.
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| Quote: Cronus "We're not seeing emergency NHS treatment impacted yet by all accounts, and there is significant spare critical care capacity at present (2,600 beds as of yesterday), although there will almost certainly be deaths caused by people not seeking medical attention due to a perceived risk of attending hospital, and other lockdown/isolation-related deaths, including those linked to mental health.
My 75 year old mother attended North Manchester General last week for heart issues (turned out to be angina, nothing serious thankfully). The paramedics and her GP insisted she went as the CV19 and non-CV19 areas are completely separate. Another member of my family took their 6 year old to a different hospital yesterday (fell off his bed and split his head open) - same story. No wait for treatment at either.
Yes, the numbers won't become clear for a few years, and we still rely on accurate and honest reporting from some quarters. The US could yet see some massive numbers. Brazil and Russia are about to implode although I suspect the numbers will never be truly disclosed. Japan struggling. Africa - who knows.'"
What we have seen is a significant reduction in the use of A&E now we have suddenly all become healthier which suggests perhaps a big chunk of those using A&E didn't need to be there after all - we talk about protecting the NHS it will be interesting to see if the numbers rise again once this crisis subsides?
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "I see the BBC have to apologise over the NHS director asking for Burberry's number - he wasn't anything to do with the NHS just a PPE supplier looking to purchase more stock - I see the BBC weren't happy the hospital doctor this morning who suggested no issue with PPE in his trust?
You obviously struggle with comprehension - but most on here know that - the government have a choice - trade short term deaths for a longer term different health crisis down the line - now dying of Covid must be pretty horrific but being beaten to death by an abusive partner wont be a barrel of laughs either - domestic violence calls up 25% do you think that will go down if this continues?
Yes we listen to the science and we take the appropriate action - so let's make a start by talking coal fired plants all over Europe, Asia and the US - planes account for about 2% of all carbon output - perhaps as you say we need to listen to the science - let's not skirt around the edges let's make a real difference - shame you went for the easy option which quite frankly will make mickey all difference. Perhaps you are one of those who seldom uses a plane so its no skin off your nose. Business travel will decrease as people have seen the benefit of using Zoom, Blue Jeans and Teams. Also companies will have to cut back - profits and cash will be tight for quite a while.'"
No, once again you have me wrong.
I have been a company director for almost 30 years.
Until 2007, this was for a different company but, now, I run my own, albeit small, business and surprise, surprise, I'm more than happy to change my lifestyle - so no envy on my part.
As for the coal fired PowerStation's and plant, yes, they clearly should be converted, along with the UK (and others) not exporting its "dirty" manufacture to China and the Asian continent and then lauding their excellent "green" credentials.
Regarding flights, did you actually read what I posted ?
The third runway at Heathrow is still on the drawing board and with movement going to decrease anyway, for a government that "listens to the science", what an ideal time to put a halt to it.
this is not envy, it's common sense.
I realise that this may impact on you travelling to your little second home in Ibiza or, make it a little more expensive but, that seems damn sensible - if we listen to the science.
As for our government's handling of the virus, at some point they will have to be brave enough to show their hand, so that business or, what's left of it, can make a plan.
You like to take a swipe at the politics of people like me but, I can only imagine your brain exploding if Labour had made anything close to the same choices.
Now that would have been worth seeing.
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| Quote: Durham Giant "As far as I know we are .
When I checked the italian figures with a friend in Italy he says that he thinks they are all counted as they get the deaths from care homes counted.
Not only that there is pressure put on certain agencies in the UK to record deaths other than from corona virus.
Hence some deaths in the community are recorded as heart attack or COPD. Now those people would probably have died anyway but their life expectancy was shortened by c19. But they are no being counted. As they are not being tested for C19 n one knows .
This however is anecdotal and I cannot prove but the 7500 in care homes plus the 14,576 takes us to 22.076
Italy’s is 22,745 but there curve is definitely falling ie daily death rate ours has not plateaued yet.
Let’s look at how British politicians look at at Italy as the sick man of Europe
Will this make the UK the sickest man of Europe ?'"
Italy deffo quoted as hospital deaths only today, however France quoted hospital and care home deaths - in the scheme of things pretty irrelevant but the graphs they keep showing are pretty pointless if countries are using different measures
Anyhows, nearly time for Donald’s daily rant - who’s he gunna blame today, certainly won’t be him
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| Has the Tory government made massive mistakes with their handling? Yes of course. Mistakes that have resulted in more deaths than was needed. But would labour have done any better? Probably not
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "No, once again you have me wrong.
I have been a company director for almost 30 years.
Until 2007, this was for a different company but, now, I run my own, albeit small, business and surprise, surprise, I'm more than happy to change my lifestyle - so no envy on my part.
As for the coal fired PowerStation's and plant, yes, they clearly should be converted, along with the UK (and others) not exporting its "dirty" manufacture to China and the Asian continent and then lauding their excellent "green" credentials.
Regarding flights, did you actually read what I posted ?
The third runway at Heathrow is still on the drawing board and with movement going to decrease anyway, for a government that "listens to the science", what an ideal time to put a halt to it.
this is not envy, it's common sense.
I realise that this may impact on you travelling to your little second home in Ibiza or, make it a little more expensive but, that seems damn sensible - if we listen to the science.
As for our government's handling of the virus, at some point they will have to be brave enough to show their hand, so that business or, what's left of it, can make a plan.
You like to take a swipe at the politics of people like me but, I can only imagine your brain exploding if Labour had made anything close to the same choices.
Now that would have been worth seeing.'"
If the stories coming out about Boris missing all these meetings are true his position is untenable in my view and he should resign - I suspect they will keep him at Chequers in the hope it all blows over. For me he is done.
I agree with you there needs to be some framework for the exit from this - problem is the population will not behave as we have seen I can understand the government not giving out any positive signals but that doesn't help businesses make decisions as to what to do - if its going to be lifted in 3 weeks is one things 3 months is quite another. Landlords are reverting to type to get paid so you might decide its not worth it and close shop if the damage done by this is not recoverable due to the length of the lockdown.
Sport will be forever damaged and no bad thing in my opinion - its business model is seriously flawed - too much money is flowing into players pockets and that needs to change - you can't a business model that relies on benefactors for survival.
On planes we must agree to differ - travel should be a freedom open to all as and when they need it. Penalising the use of aircraft seems churlish and a definite attack on the corporate kings you admire so much (sic) Surely we would make a greater impact by restricting the number of cars we have on the roads - kids should either walk to school or use public transport. Do we all need 2/3 cars per household. I suspect that might impact you personally more than a frequent flyer tax? Ibiza - I am way too old for that I'm with granny and grandads in the south of Spain.
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| Quote: Steph Curry "Has the Tory government made massive mistakes with their handling?'"
There are mistakes, and there is fingers crossed, blind ignorance.
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| Quote: Steph Curry "Has the Tory government made massive mistakes with their handling? Yes of course. Mistakes that have resulted in more deaths than was needed. But would labour have done any better? Probably not'"
But it’s the Tories in charge. Don’t start using deflection tactics to let them off the hook, especially with the news now coming out about Boris...
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| Quote: Willzay "But it’s the Tories in charge. Don’t start using deflection tactics to let them off the hook, especially with the news now coming out about Boris...'"
That is a fair point - you simply cannot blame anyone else for the handling of this crisis
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "That is a fair point - you simply cannot blame anyone else for the handling of this crisis'"
It's beautiful, nearly epiphanetic.
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| Quote: WIZEB "It's beautiful, nearly epiphanetic.
Not sure its quite that - we all know mistakes have been made - I would suggest the best thing the government can do is come clean and explain everything
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Not sure its quite that - we all know mistakes have been made - I would suggest the best thing the government can do is come clean and explain everything'"
[iMacron-esque[/i?
I won't hold my breath.
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| Gove appears to excuse Johnson’s incompetence because he caught the virus. Let us not forget he was gloating about shaking patients hands during an hospital visit despite being aware of the virus.
Gove admitted Johnson missed the 5 COBRA meetings but he was never going to attend. These meetings were about the Virus and Gove admitted Johnson was kept up to date but still did not understand the severity of the situation.
It is clear he likes the position of PM but not the responsibility that goes with it, this was also highlighted by his Flood response or lack of it.
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