Please list these countries, along with the terms of the agreements

Surely the test for the UK, when it has left the EU, is to achieve a range of trade deals which are BETTER OVERALL than what we currently have ?? or was this just another lie that everyone knew about ?

We had media overload form "leave" telling us of endless opportunities and reduced tarrifs on everything that the UK currently takes form the EU.

Go on, you can admit it now, they were just talking boll****

I would say the bulk trading power of the EU gives it a massive overall advantage over any country on the planet. As you well know. Sure you can find the odd deal between a couple of countries that has better terms. It also makes sense on other grounds to trade with nearer neighbours. As you well know.

I do wish that May would offer to rule out no deal, to the extent that she can, if Corbyn in return rules out no Brexit, to the extent that he can.

After two and a half years, you’d have thought we might have managed to narrow the options a little. Tbf, May cracked right on with it but didn’t take anybody with her.

Still, good times for people who draw infographics for a living.

Canada/Mexico and the US

Do the US have a free trade deal with the EU ?

How long have the EU been trying to get TTIP across the line - perhaps a smaller more agile country could achieve the same deal in less time?

Quote: Sal Paradise "How long have the EU been trying to get TTIP across the line - perhaps a smaller more agile country could achieve the same deal in less time?'" From beginning to end or before, given the EU’s head start? A genuine worry is that someone like Johnson or Raab might rush through botched deals to show some benefits of having done whatever we end up doing. This might have been put on the thread earlier, I guess - but I quite liked it: https://www.dezeen.com/2018/11/15/brexi ... n-pottery/

Quote: Sal Paradise "How long have the EU been trying to get TTIP across the line - perhaps a smaller more agile country could achieve the same deal in less time?'" From beginning to end or before, given the EU’s head start? A genuine worry is that someone like Johnson or Raab might rush through botched deals to show some benefits of having done whatever we end up doing. This might have been put on the thread earlier, I guess - but I quite liked it: https://www.dezeen.com/2018/11/15/brexi ... n-pottery/

They’re strongly incentivised not to, imo. It’d encourage those think we just need to speak loudly and slowly to the idiot foreigners to secure a better deal.

They gave Dave something bring home and sell. They gave Theresa something to bring home and sell. I think they might now welcome to the opportunity to tell us to get stuffed for a change. If it turns really shizzle, it at least demonstrates the value of the EU, so there’d be that consolation for its continental advocates.

Much as I dislike most things Troy, I'm not sure how much they gave either Cameron or May to work with, it was not in their interests to do so.

The one absolute certainty is that, they (the EU), were never going to make it "easy" for us (or anyone else) to leave and why should they ?

If I were May I would simply threaten a GE if the Tory MPs don't come to there senses. A number will lose their seats especially if May is the Tory leader going into the GE.

I agree. The special status that Cameron wanted was always going to have to be superficial - or everybody would be crying out for their own version. And he was asking for extra on top of the UK rebate. May’s red lines meant they couldn’t give us much of the good stuff or there’d be a rush for the exit. It has more been a case of them explaining the consequences of her decisions and sorting out the technical details than a back and forth negotiation - that’s the impression I get, anyway.

I suspect a lot of the rebel Tories will be willing to give way on the Irish border backstop, whether enough will... At some point May will have to unequivocally say what the real alternative to voting for her deal is. Technically it is no deal, but there’s still a sense that ad we approach the cliff edge, she would hit the brakes. Sometimes it is a diminishing sense, but if the preparations look half-baked I think the voices of concern will get ever louder.

Labour need some tories to save them from having to save May from some other tories. It’s a multilevel game of chicken.

One thing that everyone must agree with is that the shower that we vote for in the commons what ever the party are a total waste of space, They never seem to learn. Their credibility was shot to bits during the recent expenses scandal, even more recently the SNP swept the board in Scotland yet, in the referendum they voted to stay in the UK, they just cannot see that people are totally fed up with all of the main parties. They now have an opportunity to make good on a democratic vote of the people and they cannot and won't deliver. If we need money for the NHS and more housing get rid of that jobs for the boys lot in the House of Lords. I am traditionally a Labour voter, but cannot vote for "everything is still on the table Labour". Who the hell do I vote for.

Even that wont work.

Had Brexit been a party issue, the thing would have been sorted long ago but, it's not.
Both of the main parties are badly split on the issue and with so many of our MP being in favour of remain, despite their constituants having voted " leave", they either run with their conscience or, follow the will of the voting public and far too many wish to follow their conscience.
Add to that "the deal that pleases no one nad you reach the current stalemate.