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Quote: Sal Paradise "what about being particularly good at what you do. If David Hockney were earning 3m a year how would he fit into your categorisation? Same goes for Rory McIlroy

More complete b0ll0cks from the very envious Leaguefan'"


Again I ask

Of what and whom Am I supposed to envious of?

You didn't answer before and I doubt if you can this time either.

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Quote: Leaguefan "Again I ask

Of what and whom Am I supposed to envious of?

You didn't answer before and I doubt if you can this time either.'"

Your attacks are always on those who you deem to be in a priveledged position. Regardless of how clever they are, how hard they may have worked or how much they may have sacrificed to achieve you resent that they earn what they do. Even rugby you think the likes of Keighley should get an equal share of the Sky money despite contributing nothing to generate it. Yours is the rhetoric of envy.

Now just once answer my point about Hockney and McIlroy and your ill concieved meritoracy of earnings

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Your attacks are always on those who you deem to be in a priveledged position. Regardless of how clever they are, how hard they may have worked or how much they may have sacrificed to achieve you resent that they earn what they do. Even rugby you think the likes of Keighley should get an equal share of the Sky money despite contributing nothing to generate it. Yours is the rhetoric of envy.

Now just once answer my point about Hockney and McIlroy and your ill concieved meritoracy of earnings'"



Quite right Sal. He must be a member of the Green Party (as in green with envy)

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Quote: DHM "Just before he became Tory leader David Cameron opened our office in Witney. He didn't have security, instead he oozed through the front door, his motion lubricated by the oiliest Lord Mayor you could possibley imagine. He (the Mayor, not Cameron) said to me, while quaffing the free champagne, "if there is anything you need just let me know" while actually nudging me and winking. Straight out of Monty Python.'"


They use exactly the same tools and techniques most often associated with confidence tricksters (making someone feel "special" or an "insider" is as old as the hills - and still works). Which is what they are, really.

It was F. Scott Fitzgerald who once said, [i"An artist is someone who can hold two opposing viewpoints and still remain fully functional". [/i

But even Fitzgerald would have been left open-mouthed at the likes of Tony Blair, who really was the master of the craft. He could hold four different conversations in the same room - each of which fundamentally opposes the other three - and speak with flawless conviction. And he likely believed in all four standpoints - at once.

Cameron is Blair's spiritual progeny. And he's good, too. But he's still a long way short of the Master. Roman Polanski was extremely close to the mark when he made that film, [iThe Ghost Writer[/i.

It's interesting to contrast Blair and Cameron with political operators who are closer to the more traditional "Cult of Personality" school of leadership - the best example being Boris Johnson. Both he and those around him have been very clever in crafting his style and behaviour sufficiently close to Churchill for people to make the connection (seemingly on their own). He likes to project this image of spontaneity. But there's nothing spontaneous about the guy. His image is finely managed (very few people are even aware he's a bloody Yank!). If ever a Tory was being groomed for No. 10, Boris is he. He's done his time giving oral to big business as Mayor and he can expect plenty of benefactors when he throws his hat into the ring.

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Quote: Mugwump "the best example being Boris Johnson. Both he and those around him have been very clever in crafting his style and behaviour sufficiently close to Churchill for people to make the connection (seemingly on their own). He likes to project this image of spontaneity. But there's nothing spontaneous about the guy. His image is finely managed (very few people are even aware he's a bloody Yank!). If ever a Tory was being groomed for No. 10, Boris is he. He's done his time giving oral to big business as Mayor and he can expect plenty of benefactors when he throws his hat into the ring.'"


Boris is the political equivalent of Joey Essex. Successfully forging a career on the back of pretending to be the village idiot but the joke really is on us. There are plenty who are still suckered in by the 'bumbling buffoon' Boris as portrayed by the right wing press, but underneath that scruffy hair and cheeky chappy demeanour is a scheming, ruthless mercenary.

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Quote: King Street Cat "Boris is the political equivalent of Joey Essex. Successfully forging a career on the back of pretending to be the village idiot but the joke really is on us. There are plenty who are still suckered in by the 'bumbling buffoon' Boris as portrayed by the right wing press, but underneath that scruffy hair and cheeky chappy demeanour is a scheming, ruthless mercenary.'"


Funny that he twice got a majority for the Mayors job from all those metro savy lefty Labour Londoners. Who are the real buffoons then. icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Lord Elpers "Funny that he twice got a majority for the Mayors job from all those metro savy lefty Labour Londoners. Who are the real buffoons then. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Sal Paradise "Your attacks are always on those who you deem to be in a priveledged position. Regardless of how clever they are, how hard they may have worked or how much they may have sacrificed to achieve you resent that they earn what they do. Even rugby you think the likes of Keighley should get an equal share of the Sky money despite contributing nothing to generate it. Yours is the rhetoric of envy.

Now just once answer my point about Hockney and McIlroy and your ill concieved meritoracy of earnings'"


As a certain Jeremy Paxman once repeated several times ANSWERTHE QUESTION !

Define how I have , in your words "attacked" anyone?

Where, in any comment, statement or query has it been stated there is resentment?

And to clarify, of what or whom am I still supposed to be envious of?

You seem to have, IMO , the idea that money, things and the concept of status are the most important part of life. I could be wrong but somehow, based on your postings and the risible chuntering of Lord Elpers and AJW I doubt it.

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Quote: Sal Paradise " If David Hockney were earning 3m a year how would he fit into your categorisation? Same goes for Rory McIlroy

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Last I looked, neither Hockney or McIlroy were looking to foist their (or more precisely, their masters') ideological beliefs on the population of the UK

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Quote: cod'ead "Last I looked, neither Hockney or McIlroy were looking to foist their (or more precisely, their masters') ideological beliefs on the population of the UK'"

never said they were so i am unsure what your point is?

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Quote: Leaguefan "As a certain Jeremy Paxman once repeated several times ANSWERTHE QUESTION !

Define how I have , in your words "attacked" anyone?

Where, in any comment, statement or query has it been stated there is resentment?

And to clarify, of what or whom am I still supposed to be envious of?

You seem to have, IMO , the idea that money, things and the concept of status are the most important part of life. I could be wrong but somehow, based on your postings and the risible chuntering of Lord Elpers and AJW I doubt it.'"

are you suggesting the comments are untrue about the SL monies?

Just for once answer my point about Hockney or McIlroy

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Quote: Sal Paradise "are you suggesting the comments are untrue about the SL monies?

Just for once answer my point about Hockney or McIlroy'"


I don't see the relevance of any of this to what I originally posted and to be honest couldn't care less.

It's obvious that what I posted and what you read got lost somewhere.

You assumed one thing, thought something else was said and then went off about something else.

Revisit the original post and apply it to anyone, and that seems to cause you a problem.

Well it's your problem, if you want to make it, such, how you deal with it isn't of much interest to me, nor should I imagine anyone else, but then again don't you learn something new every day

I'm still waiting to find out what or whom I am envious of. You made the statement so please answer, if you can, although I doubt very much you will be able to.

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Quote: Sal Paradise "never said they were so i am unsure what your point is?'"


I simply wondered why you introduced the straw men

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Quote: Leaguefan "I don't see the relevance of any of this to what I originally posted and to be honest couldn't care less.

It's obvious that what I posted and what you read got lost somewhere.

You assumed one thing, thought something else was said and then went off about something else.

Revisit the original post and apply it to anyone, and that seems to cause you a problem.

Well it's your problem, if you want to make it, such, how you deal with it isn't of much interest to me, nor should I imagine anyone else, but then again don't you learn something new every day

I'm still waiting to find out what or whom I am envious of. You made the statement so please answer, if you can, although I doubt very much you will be able to.'"

just answer the question its pretty simple really. Something - despite 3 subsequent posts - have failed to address. Your views that nobody can earn huge money unless they are ripping somebody off is petty jealously. I agree there needs to be a more even spread of wealth but there still needs to opportunity for the talented to max out.

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This article pretty much sums up how I see things as regards our wonderful Cameron / Osborne economic miracle:
www.standard.co.uk/business/mark ... 76913.html
This article pretty much sums up how I see things as regards our wonderful Cameron / Osborne economic miracle:
www.standard.co.uk/business/mark ... 76913.html


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