So we invented a force more powerful and more deadly (because people die from it), than your God ?

Christ, we're good aren't we ?

Or did we invent the God as well ?

No, we didn't invent it, but it was a natural consequence of our rebellion.

Interesting question, but the Bible does not indicate that God was created. All we have is John 1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.[/i

So there are things in this world that have nothing whatsoever to do with a Creator, there are things that exist that were not made by a God at all ?

Like the Giants Causeway for instance ?

God created free will. Sin and death are consequences of our disobedience.

you're an idiot, and you appear to be in check

and I am giving your spiteful of a god a chance, prove his existence through me, in a public place, can't be too much to ask, I mean, this guy (white, with a beard, from Jerusalem, with the ability to impregnate women without consent (which makes him a rapist) who wiped out mankind because they displeased him (which makes him a murderer) and then flooded the planet (but he didn't FACTS tell us that))

whilst I'm waiting I'll read about Scientology, at least their fantasy is interesting.

Sin, and death, and viruses (which are also living organisms), and disease, and the Giants Causeway - what do the Creationists think of your theories ?

We'll have to compare notes Standee, I'm reading about the Mormon's they're ing mental.

scientology appears to come from a giant intergallatic battle, whereas mormons can have more than one wife, I reckon laser guns and warp drives are much better than having multiple women you resent!

God will NOT be tested.

[iDo not test the LORD your God as you did at Massah.[/i Deuteronomy 6

[iJesus answered, "It says Luke 4

Viruses and disease did not exist before the Fall. Neither did sin, obviously.

I'm a Creationist.

It could well be, but what about the underpants?

What a selling point!

And of course that America is a great holiday place when you've just died.

How can that be if you believe that your God did not create everything.

You have to admit that for your God to have created what he believed to be the perfect sentient being in The Garden of Eden, it didn't take very long before an even more powerful deity came along and fekked things up good and proper for him.

All that was needed was the power of thought and BOOM! sin was born, something that your God had never even thought of and not constructed any built in defences against.

Shortly after that along came disease and virus, living organisms so small that your God just never saw them coming and suddenly his beautiful creations are dying all over the place.

Good job that sin had come along in the first place because Adam and Eve wouldn't have lasted long against the other deity's far more powerful forces.

Funnily enough last weekend there was an old BBC documentary on telly here called "Did Darwin kill God". If you haven't seen it. Have a look. I notice it's on the net.

Conor Cunningham discusses biblical interpretations and how 20th Century American creationists manufactured the tussles between science and faith being "discussed" on here.

On ABC?

They've had some really good programs on recently, some of they're day time debates are top draw.