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| Quote: "Lovely thanks.
Sorry Mr Cronus but, I had moved on from the missing laughter at Mr Johnson, which, I am now convinced never happened
The more deliberate change was with this years laying of the wreath by Mr Johnson.
The live footage shows him laying the wreath upside down but, the re-runs go back in time (3 years) to show him laying the wreath correctly.
Was this to protect the dignity of those who have fallen or, to protect "our leader" and just who made that decision ?
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| Quote: "icon_lol.gif I've replied on the cenotaph 'incident', twice. Once last night and just now. Come on lad.
I'll have to read your posts more carefully in future
Pat of it had been air brushed out on my PC - it has some additional security to protect me from any form of extremism (parental controls or something like that ).
FWIW, Boris has had the usual honeymoon period with the media, which is the norm - just to stop the natives from getting too restless.
However, on a more serious note, the bloke is never going to change from being a "maverick" politician and as long as someone keeps on sweeping up behind him, he may be ok.
Personally, as I've said many times, I'm more annoyed that the Tories can boast about spending pledges that return us to where we were 10 years ago, before the cuts that they imposed.
It's like having your car impounded and then having to be grateful when someone passes you the keys.
If only Labour had "promoted" the other Miliband, we may never have arrived here and we are still left with staying in the EU or sucking up ever closer to the USA and the latter is a worse option than leaving the EU.
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| So Channel 4 added subtitles claiming Johnson said the word 'people of colour' rather than 'people of talent'.
Deliberate? Conspiracy? Mistake?
Johnson is gambling the house on getting the much sought after free trade deal with the EU and all inside 11 months - he will fail on both and we will then leave the EU with "no deal"
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| The consolation is if/when Johnson wins, he's inheriting an even bigger mess than when he set out on his journey to enlightenment.
If he doesn't deliver a satisfactory Brexit, the right wing headbangers will never forgive him. If he does deliver Brexit, it'll likely be of the harder variety, which may set the country back decades. There will only be so many lies he can tell until people start calling for his head on a spike.
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| Quote: "No offence or outrage here my friend. Just expressing my opinion just as everyone else is entitled to.'"
Absolutely.
Quote: "Love the use of the word progressive though. Very "on message"'"
Those who find themselves ridiculous, sit down next to me.
They say that one flaw damns a virtuous man (or anybody else wherever they define themselves on the gender spectrum), and one virtue redeems a sinner. So i’ll say one positive thing about Johnson - he is self aware, and while he pretends to be something he isn’t, he does so in such a way that anybody who buys it can only blame themselves, imo. Bit of red-blooded victim blaming for you there. I think he wants us to be in on the joke, so i don’t think it truly counts as deceit.
It must be horrible trying to be impartial in the media in this climate. So while I might have shouted abuse at Nick Robinson, based around his time as President of the Oxford University Conservative Association, last night, he did okay, I thought. I do sometimes laugh at how aligned with my views C4 news is. We jokingly refer to it as the real news and now more or less regard the BBC political news as an adjunct of the Conservative Party media operation. When Standee points to their left-wing bias, maybe, overall, it shows they are doing their best. I suspect Kuessenberg would privately regard you, Cronus and Standee as wets... but even so.
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| Quote: "Interesting reading of the party leaders comments when they are "fact checked" and it seems that Corbyn is in fact the more "truthful" of the 2, with Boris still peddling the myth of 40 new hospitals.
£2.7 billion is set aside for the first 6 hospitals- to be built over the next 5 years and seed money of just £100 million for the other 34, which are promised within 10 years ??
On the basis that there would need to be the same amount of money for each hospital, there would need to be a staggering £15.3 billion for the remaining 34 hospitals and just a 5 year time frame to get these done - blatant lie or just badly thought out, you decide.
I don't get Labour's obsession with this. Well, I do, they're just seeking to repeat the word 'lie'.
Of course the Tories can't just build 40 new hospitals immediately, and no-one is pledging that. They've always said the first 6 are to be built first, with seed money to plan the other 34. Those 34 can be planned over 5 years, after which - all being well - building can proceed almost immediately. 10 years to plan and build a hospital seems reasonable? Yes, it's a lot of money but it falls far short of Labour's £733 centillion to deliver baby unicorns, beer fountains and free money trees to every household by next week.
Look, we all know these things never run to schedule or budget, so it's likely things will never pan out exactly as pledged. But to keep calling it a 'lie' is disingenuous.
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| Quote: "I don't get Labour's obsession with this. Well, I do, they're just seeking to repeat the word 'lie'.
Of course the Tories can't just build 40 new hospitals immediately, and no-one is pledging that. They've always said the first 6 are to be built first, with seed money to plan the other 34. Those 34 can be planned over 5 years, after which - all being well - building can proceed almost immediately. 10 years to plan and build a hospital seems reasonable? Yes, it's a lot of money but it falls far short of Labour's £733 centillion to deliver baby unicorns, beer fountains and free money trees to every household by next week.
Look, we all know these things never run to schedule or budget, so it's likely things will never pan out exactly as pledged. But to keep calling it a 'lie' is disingenuous.'"
The standard of political debate and discourse is abysmal and a national embarrassment, imo. People tend to blame the politicians, but not being one, I can largely blame the electorate and systemic failings - political, financial, legal, cultural.
I know how lucky I am to live in the UK compared to most other countries, while also I know things have been cack in the past here too. But we are making a spectacular mess of things. This election is just a fight to see who will oversee the next round of catastrophe. Will it be the Tommy Robinson-endorsed, ruthless, lying Bullingdon twat-clown of the withered soul, to whom the concept of integrity is literally a joke, or a knackered septuagenarian picked by accident by his own party, who’d quite like to go back to his allotment shed and read back issues of the Morning Star from the mid-1980s?
I desperately, forlornly hope that the next Prime Minister will be somebody massively ill-suited to the role, because the more likely alternative so appalling. Rule Britannia.
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