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| Who said work must open tomorrow? Some companies have been planning to reopen for weeks. The option is from tomorrow, not Tomorrow, but given the other minor examples you have provided, playing on words is the basis of your mantra.
The only thing that has changed is that you can sit in the park. You just worry yourself with that.
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| Here's a quick factoid about what secondary schools reopening, with social distancing measures, would look like.
At the school where I'm based, we have 360 kids per year. The suggestion is that just year 10s will return in June to get some time with teachers before next year's exams. If this is the case, and the 2 metre social distancing rule has to be observed, the dinner queue would be nearly half a mile long. Obviously, they'd use the three sittings to be able to spread out the dinners, but you're still looking at 3 sittings, each with a 240 metre long queue.
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| Quote: wire-quin "Who said work must open tomorrow? Some companies have been planning to reopen for weeks. The option is from tomorrow, not Tomorrow, but given the other minor examples you have provided, playing on words is the basis of your mantra.
The only thing that has changed is that you can sit in the park. You just worry yourself with that.'"
There's a fair bit more to worry about than sitting in the park but, if that is your priority, knock yourself out bud.
I think his words were "you can go to work tomorrow" ??
No forewarning for businesses to prepare, let alone the kids are still at home, no sense really on how people will get to work but, apparently walking or on a bike are now preferred.
Did they really need the extra few days from Thursday to come up with this "plan".
We would have been better placed keeping the "stay home, protect the NHS, save lives" slogan but, saying that those who could travel to work safely and whose employers were prepared (difficult without government advice) should start to go back to work, with the obvious caveat around vulnerable people and for me, the plan MUST be UK wide.
Its quite ridiculous having different advice in Scotland and Wales, to the advice being given in England.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "There's a fair bit more to worry about than sitting in the park but, if that is your priority, knock yourself out bud.
I think his words were "you can go to work tomorrow" ??
No forewarning for businesses to prepare, let alone the kids are still at home, no sense really on how people will get to work but, apparently walking or on a bike are now preferred.
Did they really need the extra few days from Thursday to come up with this "plan".
We would have been better placed keeping the "stay home, protect the NHS, save lives" slogan but, saying that those who could travel to work safely and whose employers were prepared (difficult without government advice) should start to go back to work, with the obvious caveat around vulnerable people and for me, the plan MUST be UK wide.
Its quite ridiculous having different advice in Scotland and Wales, to the advice being given in England.'"
All seems fairly straight forward to me. You will get more detail today from Boris in Parliament and in the daily press briefing.
Boris clearly said go to work in your car, quite clearly said that, but you must have missed that bit as your were checking the brakes on your bike.
Sturgeon has been playing games for weeks. Releasing national information in advance of the UK, engaging with the Scottish public regarding a phased opening, then pulling back. Sadly she's politicising this which isn't good for anyone.
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| Johnson should have stayed in that fridge.
He's a pillock.
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| Quote: King Street Cat "Here's a quick factoid about what secondary schools reopening, with social distancing measures, would look like.
At the school where I'm based, we have 360 kids per year. The suggestion is that just year 10s will return in June to get some time with teachers before next year's exams. If this is the case, and the 2 metre social distancing rule has to be observed, the dinner queue would be nearly half a mile long. Obviously, they'd use the three sittings to be able to spread out the dinners, but you're still looking at 3 sittings, each with a 240 metre long queue.'"
What does the length of a queue matter? Longer queues don't mean more people.
Serve them a pack lunch if its that much of a worry or pre pack the lunches and out them on the tables. Is really that big an issue?
We've got a pandemic which is incurring hardship and you're worried about the length of a queue. That suggests they're getting it right to me if thats all we have to worry about. Or you are just an over thinker/worrier.
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| Quote: Ovavoo "Johnson should have stayed in that fridge.
He's a pillock.'"
Have you been thinking that through since 7 last night?
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| Quote: wire-quin "What does the length of a queue matter? Longer queues don't mean more people.
Serve them a pack lunch if its that much of a worry or pre pack the lunches and out them on the tables. Is really that big an issue?
We've got a pandemic which is incurring hardship and you're worried about the length of a queue. That suggests they're getting it right to me if thats all we have to worry about. Or you are just an over thinker/worrier.'"
Getting it right, are you joking?
Give your head a good wobble.
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| Quote: Ovavoo "Getting it right, are you joking?
Give your head a good wobble.'"
Are you going to elaborate or are you keeping it short this morning?
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| Quote: wire-quin "What does the length of a queue matter? Longer queues don't mean more people.
Serve them a pack lunch if its that much of a worry or pre pack the lunches and out them on the tables. Is really that big an issue?
We've got a pandemic which is incurring hardship and you're worried about the length of a queue. That suggests they're getting it right to me if thats all we have to worry about. Or you are just an over thinker/worrier.'"
The queues aren't the issue. Do you really think the queues are the issue here? It's just highlighting how hard it is to 'police' the 2 metre social distancing measures. When our school is fully open there are nearly 2500 kids, and a few hundred staff. How do you social distance that amount of people in a school? How do you stop kids being kids, coughing at each other saying, "you've got Corona now"? How do you move 2500 kids round a school 6-7 times a day without contact? How do you clean every desk and chair down between lessons? Now times this by 30+ schools.
You could serve them packed lunches at their tables. Would those tables be the tables which seat 2 next to each other, or 4 in a 1.5 metre square space? Either way, they're not socially distanced.
It's going to be part of my job to work out how the message is communicated once we start opening all our schools again. I've got a picture of our sites in my head, and the number of kids/staff, and I can only see closures again if infection rates start going up again.
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1673_1436275874.jpg Jamie Jones-Buchanan
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| Quote: wire-quin "Are you going to elaborate or are you keeping it short this morning?'"
31,855 deaths, don't really need to add anything else.
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| Quote: King Street Cat "The queues aren't the issue. Do you really think the queues are the issue here? It's just highlighting how hard it is to 'police' the 2 metre social distancing measures. When our school is fully open there are nearly 2500 kids, and a few hundred staff. How do you social distance that amount of people in a school? How do you stop kids being kids, coughing at each other saying, "you've got Corona now"? How do you move 2500 kids round a school 6-7 times a day without contact? How do you clean every desk and chair down between lessons? Now times this by 30+ schools.
You could serve them packed lunches at their tables. Would those tables be the tables which seat 2 next to each other, or 4 in a 1.5 metre square space? Either way, they're not socially distanced.
It's going to be part of my job to work out how the message is communicated once we start opening all our schools again. I've got a picture of our sites in my head, and the number of kids/staff, and I can only see closures again if infection rates start going up again.'"
So are you suggesting no education in schools until a vaccine is developed - which could be several years?
There has to be a trade off - education vs increase in infection rates - you could have shifts starting at say 6AM and finishing at 6PM - the lunch break being the swop over. That way you reduce you numbers by half straight away. You then make better use of the facilities - again you reduce the numbers by half all of a sudden your 2,500 has become 625 - teachers are suppose to inspire our kids - its time they starting showing some initiative.
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "The first part "may" be possible for some employers / employees but, definitely not with 12 hours notice ??
The second part is a little odd/impossible with absolutely open borders between England / Scotland and England / Wales
If you live in Wrexham and work in Chester or visa versa, what are you permitted to do ?
Also, in theory, you could drive into Wales to go walking (from Wednesday) but, in Wales itself, you are supposed to stay home ??
These are just a couple of examples
The new "rules" are as clear as mud'"
It really isn't difficult - wherever your end destination is - those are the rules you use!! If you are driving into England then those rules apply?
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "It really isn't difficult - wherever your end destination is - those are the rules you use!! If you are driving into England then those rules apply?'"
If you live in Wales, in theory, you wouldn't be allowed to drive, so, coming accross the border to England wouldn't be permitted ??
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "So are you suggesting no education in schools until a vaccine is developed - which could be several years?
There has to be a trade off - education vs increase in infection rates - you could have shifts starting at say 6AM and finishing at 6PM - the lunch break being the swop over. That way you reduce you numbers by half straight away. You then make better use of the facilities - again you reduce the numbers by half all of a sudden your 2,500 has become 625 - teachers are suppose to inspire our kids - its time they starting showing some initiative.'"
"You then make better use of the facilities" just sounds like throwing a suggestion into the air and seeing what comes down. You must have an idealistic view of state school facilities. A handful of our site's are new, modern, spacious designs. Most are a mish-mash of Victorian buildings, post war knock-ups, and recent add-ons.
Your 12 hour shift works well as a bullish forum post, but in reality it fails to get out of the starting blocks. Do teachers not have kids, too? Do parents not work alternating shifts? Who looks after the kids who are waiting to go to school in the afternoon, or who are finishing at lunchtime? How many extra bus services will be needed at different times of the day? There would be no set rota of staff and students. It would probably have to be done on a weekly, if not daily basis.
I understand kids need to get their education. My 3 year old should have started school in April, and she's completely out of her routine now, but it was it is.
And before you say it, I'm not being overprotective here. I was an only child, latchkey kid. I had my own house key at 8. I used to regularly be alone in the house for 3 hours waiting for my Mum or Dad to get home first, or in the Summer I'd be running off around golf courses and becks with my mates. I believe kids should be able to look after themselves at a certain age, but that's not the society we live in, I'm afraid. Too much blame/claim culture over the last couple of decades has seen normally rational people lose their minds over the slightest thing. Your 6am-6pm school day sounds like a recipe for a truckload of tabloid outrage.
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