You hit the nail right on the head with "semi literate."

This is why there so is much confusion. Individuals like you making judgements and the internet giving a platform for people to post anything as fact as we've seen where people including lazy journalists using it to get quick information about something when writing articles.

Words like Coordinate and Cooperate are correct. The language has evolved as people were unsure and thought a hyphen should go in. How does the OED spell them anyone?

As I said earlier the word today was hyphenated and my father in law still spells it like that to this day. Things do evolve, but the internet has a lot to answer for.

They are (though no need for the caps). And when you write a style guide and are dealing with multiple 'correct' options, the purpose of the guide is to choose one and stick with it consistently and coherently. It's a style, not a grammar, decision in that case.




Really? You sure?

Quote: tb "They are (though no need for the caps). And when you write a style guide and are dealing with multiple 'correct' options, the purpose of the guide is to choose one and stick with it consistently and coherently. It's a style, not a grammar, decision in that case. Really? You sure?'" OK tb, understood. Apologies for the rantish nature. Yeah to-day was, you notice it more in old World War 1 posters. My father in law still writes it that way. Here are a couple of examples one can find out there. delwedd.llgc.org.uk/delweddau/xcm/xcm00061.jpg one-great-war.tumblr.com/ Probably being from poor London backgrounds meant that his and our school books were very old. I recall that my books still had words like medieval spelt mediæval. I still type it with the æ (ash) as a typographer. At worst I still write it with the ae in the middle. I'm thinking it's to show the drawn out E sound. We lost the ash thanks to typewriters. Sorry, more from the Imperial War Museum: www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/28426

Quote: tb "They are (though no need for the caps). And when you write a style guide and are dealing with multiple 'correct' options, the purpose of the guide is to choose one and stick with it consistently and coherently. It's a style, not a grammar, decision in that case. Really? You sure?'" OK tb, understood. Apologies for the rantish nature. Yeah to-day was, you notice it more in old World War 1 posters. My father in law still writes it that way. Here are a couple of examples one can find out there. delwedd.llgc.org.uk/delweddau/xcm/xcm00061.jpg one-great-war.tumblr.com/ Probably being from poor London backgrounds meant that his and our school books were very old. I recall that my books still had words like medieval spelt mediæval. I still type it with the æ (ash) as a typographer. At worst I still write it with the ae in the middle. I'm thinking it's to show the drawn out E sound. We lost the ash thanks to typewriters. Sorry, more from the Imperial War Museum: www.iwm.org.uk/collections/item/object/28426

Anyway, here's another (sort of) rant on hyphens www.theatlanticwire.com/entertai ... ens/59333/

Anyway, here's another (sort of) rant on hyphens www.theatlanticwire.com/entertai ... ens/59333/

Having been corrected by tb and now creeping back into this conversation ... may I just divert attention to my BBC-bee-in-my-bonnet again (look at all those hyphens tb !).
The bee in my bonnet about the BBC is the habit of failing to enunciate both consonants when two consecutive words (let's call them word A and word B) have the same consonant at the end of word A and at the beginning of word B.
Hence, we get references to Spay shuttle and spay station, the Pry Minister, the Business eckertry, Nick Leg ... and remarks like "It's going to be a cole day" and "here's the may news again".

But then you just ALWAYS get "Laura Norder". Now [ithat's[/i irritating.

Is that Laura Norder QC

Grammar is one thing we can all get right, regional accents are another matter. As a northener who has lived most of his adult life in the south, I'm used to the 'baaarth' pronunciation, of course. Perfectly understandable. However, when folk occasionally challenge my northern pronunciation of the word, I ask them to take the 'Lady in Red' ( worst song ever written, BTW ) test.

Pronounce the following two lines consistently:

I've never seen so many men ask you if you wanted to dance
They're looking for a little romance, given half a chance

Why listen to him? With regards to hyphens, he put out a style guide that is incorrect. People will think they are correct because of who he is. It's a bit like those lazy journos referring to wikipaedia for facts. They're presume it's correct because of what it is.

TBH after that borderline-iliterate drivel, I'm more inclined to accept grammar lessons from tb

Why. Will he put a full stop at the end of your sentence? I'm not the one writing style guides matey.



Ah, there you are. Jostling for a position of superiority over posters again.

How superior you must feel. Must be hard.

What I want to know is whether or not the OP has an inferiority complex (which would not be difficult to understand), given he does not use a capital "B." Does that mean he does not consider himself "proper", like what his literacy isn't, innit?

The best response is to challenge right back.
There is a widespread view, in the South East, that anyone who speaks with an accent that is not a South-Eastern accent, is thought of as someone "with an accent".
The approriate challenge is to respond that, yes, of course one has an accent, but so does everyone.
This does not often go down well but hey-ho.

Worse than challenge are the infrequent but ill-advised attempts to mimic one's accent, especially when they get it so wrong.

Although most of us will know accents we like and accents we don't, no accent is intrinsically better than any other.
Also I think that, these days, the notion that a South-Eastern accent is to "speak nicely" is waning, thank goodness.