I too am fed up of hearing people whining about what what might happen and how we should have a second referendum and how it's not legally binding and how the remainers are more superior than the leavers and how the 48% need to protest protest protest with their hand scrawled cardboard plaques. Let's just get on with the process the 52% voted for.

It's one thing to vote to take us all into an economic crisis. It's another thing to demand those who disagree with you stop expressing an opinion. But then, Ian Hislop has already expressed this better than I can.

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No issue with anybody's opinion , but it is just that , an opinion , it isn't fact until it happens , overal I'll just be glad when ' remainers ' stop calling everybody else they disagree with bigots , it seems slightly hypocritical to do so , wouldnt you say

It would be, and I'm not calling anyone a bigot here.

I wasn't suggesting you have , we ( myself and you ) did manage to have reasoned discussions , others haven't , and still cannot

My post was a generalisation , just as others are doing

As has been pointed out our exports to the EU represent 44% of our total exports not 50%. If you are going to round it you would be more accurate to say 40%! To try and diminish the importance of the UK market for EU exports is a mistake as we remain one of the largest markets for EU countries with some 800,000+ German cars being exported to the UK each year (one in 5 cars produced in Germany).

To put things in perspective German total exports represent 49.9% of their total GDP while UK total exports are 27.4% of GDP of which 12% of GDP is to the EU so it is only this 12% of our GDP which is at risk. No matter what happens we will continue to trade substantially with the EU even if we have access to the single market only under the WTO rules so you have to balance what we might lose to the EU because of tariffs against what we will undoubtably gain from the other 90% + of the world. Already there is a daily increasing list of countries that have offered trade talks.

In addition what those that are still promoting project fear are missing is that the WTO tariff average is around 3% with the cars being one of the highest at 10%. So if our currency has devalued by say 10% this gives a great advantage to our exports worldwide and in the case of the EU overcomes the problem of tariffs. Whereas EU exports to the UK will become more expensive because of the same currency changes plus the tariff on top! So there will be big pressure on EU governments from their business sectors to seek a friendly trade settlement or risk further unemployment in the already troubled EU.

The EU has serious upcoming problems from woefully under-capitalised banks, Italy heading the same way as Greece, another Euro crisis and of course unrest due to the immigration crisis. Add to this several leaders up for re-election next year so they do not need to deliberately self harm their economies by seeking some kind of revenge in the negotiations.

We have made the right decision for our future and it will take a few years to gain the real benefits but will be well worth it in the medium and long term. We have good arguments to come to a mutually beneficial agreement with our neighbours who must now realise they made a major mistake in blocking Cameron earlier in the year. Being unreasonable then has led to Brexit so to repeat this again will push the failing EU to an earlier demise. The leaders know they have to make big changes to the direction of the EU and they might as well start now.

You might find this of interest: it mentions tariffs and the WTO – and more. www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07 ... y-s-brexit

You might find this of interest: it mentions tariffs and the WTO – and more. www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2016/07 ... y-s-brexit

Indeed.

Which, in most circumstances, would be considered an irresponsible way in which to make government policy.

But we know a number of things that help us to make informed estimates of what will happen. Hence that piece.

Don't know why people are so concerned about life outside the EU.

The EU has just lost its second biggest net contributor, other countries will be clamouring to hold similar referendums to the one we have just had. More and more countries will leave. The whole institution will come crashing down. There will be no EU in 15 years.

Once again, it's important we don't allow groundless assertions of fantasy continue to replace what we used to know as "truth". There was enough of that in the campaign. None of what you describe will come true. It was just another UKIP delusion, knowing or otherwise.

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The EU will be there in 15 years. There isn't another country in Europe with such a toxic press owned by right-wing millionaires which has pumped out so many lies about the EU for so long.

As we both don't appear to have time machines your claim that the EU will still be in existence in 15 years can just as easily be described as 'fantasy'.

The EU will probably on economic grounds. The 2008 crisis has shaken it badly and continues to do do. It seems to me very likely that there will another major economic shock shortly. If and when that shock occurs I doubt very much whether the EU will be able to continue in its current form with its current membership.

These "groundless assertions of fantasy" you refer to are presumably those remainiacs responsible for Project Fear
who the new PM has rightly banished to the back benches. The next target should be to sack that over political Governor of the Bank of England who continues to talk down our economy and prospects. This is the man that predicted before the vote rises in interest rates and mortgages and after the Brexit vote now talks of a drop in interest rates. He has a long record of misleading the markets with his wrong predictions on interest rates. Time to go.

It is most unlikley that the EU in its preent form will remain for long. With a steady decline in it's trade as the rest of the world has been expanding highlights how uncompetitive it has become, it faces further crisises with the single currency, it's almost bankrupt banks, it's naive immigration policy, it's corruption, it's undemocratic and over bureaucratic base of power and it's remoteness from the wishes of it's people. It is difficult to say which is worst the EU or the Eurovision Song Contest. We are best out of both!