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| Quote: Sal Paradise "The point is people are disaffected from Europe and are struggling to see the benefits Europe brings - wrongly in my view.
Leaving Europe would be a mistake IMO but this is what happens when you have the quality of politicians we have and the general lack of interest and gravitas in this area.'"
I disagree that leaving the EU would be a bad thing, the EU started as a means to boost trade but has snowballed over the decades to become a multi-billion pound monster that interferes with National laws and regulations. I find the system where countries pay billions in, to then get some money back in subsidies and grants (minus of course the costs of running the EU) a bafflingly inefficient system in my opinion.
I feel we could still enjoy the benefits we get through trade deals, without the excessive costs of EU membership and without the interference on laws and regulations. Judging by the polls yesterday other countries are feeling the same. As things stand I can't see the EU still being around in its current form in 10 years time.
I do agree with your other point though, the current crop of 'prominent' politicians are the worst I can remember. Love them or hate them, when figures such as Thatcher or Blair spoke they commanded, even their biggest critics would surely agree that they'd wipe the floor with the current crop if they were around today. Milliband should trouncing the equally mediocre Cameron given the austerity cuts, and Clegg's completely ruined his own party and stripped them of their identity. Its probably too late for all 3 to change leader before the election, but all 3 need to take a hard look at their policies and change tactics IMO.
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| Quote: UllFC "I disagree that leaving the EU would be a bad thing, the EU started as a means to boost trade but has snowballed over the decades to become a multi-billion pound monster that interferes with National laws and regulations. I find the system where countries pay billions in, to then get some money back in subsidies and grants (minus of course the costs of running the EU) a bafflingly inefficient system in my opinion.
I feel we could still enjoy the benefits we get through trade deals, without the excessive costs of EU membership and without the interference on laws and regulations. Judging by the polls yesterday other countries are feeling the same. As things stand I can't see the EU still being around in its current form in 10 years time.
I do agree with your other point though, the current crop of 'prominent' politicians are the worst I can remember. Love them or hate them, when figures such as Thatcher or Blair spoke they commanded, even their biggest critics would surely agree that they'd wipe the floor with the current crop if they were around today. Milliband should trouncing the equally mediocre Cameron given the austerity cuts, and Clegg's completely ruined his own party and stripped them of their identity. Its probably too late for all 3 to change leader before the election, but all 3 need to take a hard look at their policies and change tactics IMO.'"
Whilst I agree the EU is an inefficient monster if we left it would have significant impacts on inward investment here. Very likely firms such as Honda would relocate into Europe.
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Whilst I agree the EU is an inefficient monster if we left it would have significant impacts on inward investment here. Very likely firms such as Honda would relocate into Europe.'"
Indeed and while Europe would still allow us to trade with them they wouldn't allow us to undercut them by reducing the pay and working conditions here to do it.
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| Quote: Big Graeme "Indeed and while Europe would still allow us to trade with them they wouldn't allow us to undercut them by reducing the pay and working conditions here to do it.'"
That can't be true surely, Mr Farage said they'll be begging us to do business with them after we've left the club and stopped paying our fees, says that we are their biggest export market so they CAN'T impose terms on us if we leave, in fact he seems to think we'll have the whip hand when we renegotiate all our trade deals with Europe.
He wouldn't lie to us would he ?
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| My options at the ballot were...
Labour - No
Tories - Hell No
Greens - What's the point
English Democrats - No
Britain First - Hell No
and Ukip, so I voted for them based on process of elimination.
What a horrible racist I must be!
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "My options at the ballot were...
Labour - No
Tories - Hell No
Greens - What's the point
English Democrats - No
Britain First - Hell No
and Ukip, so I voted for them based on process of elimination.
What a horrible racist I must be!'"
I admire your honesty
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "Greens - What's the point'"
2 more seats than a so called mainstream party.
Under the system of PR used, your vote counts.
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "My options at the ballot were...
Labour - No
Tories - Hell No
Greens - What's the point
English Democrats - No
Britain First - Hell No
and Ukip, so I voted for them based on process of elimination.
What a horrible racist I must be!'"
Could I just ask why you say 'hell no' to the Tories and then by your process of elimination, end up voting for a party who are Tory in all but name (only slightly more extreme)?
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| Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "Could I just ask why you say 'hell no' to the Tories and then by your process of elimination, end up voting for a party who are Tory in all but name (only slightly more extreme)?'"
I don't really see much difference between any of the main parties really, they are all in the pocket of big businesses and choose to serve their interests over mine. However, UKIP have not yet got a track record in gross incompetence of Labour or indeed the vicious cuts the Tories subject me to every time they get in, so why not?
I really don't expect any more of them than the rest but you never know, it's not like anything would fundementally change if they got in anyway.
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| Quote: TrinityIHC " However, UKIP have not yet got a track record in the vicious cuts the Tories subject me to every time they get in, so why not?
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...... Another Daily Star reader, whose only knowledge of UKIP's policies is the 'kick the immigrants out'- type nonsense that gets uttered down the Legion every night....
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| Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "icon_lol.gif
Go on then oh superior one, read what you have quoted and then explain to me what cuts UKIP have inflicted on the public so far?
I'll save you time - none.
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "Go on then oh superior one, read what you have quoted and then explain to me what cuts UKIP have inflicted on the public so far?
I'll save you time - none.'"
So you cast a vote without reading a party's proposed policies??....
Its little wonder UKIP have done so well, if people have based their voting on a similar logic to yours.
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| Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "So you cast a vote without reading a party's proposed policies??....
Of course I have read their manifesto, but I have very little faith in any political party to deliver what they put down in there, the Tories didn't mention what they were going to be getting up to in their last one you'll notice.
As I say, I don't trust any of them, but the "big 2" have proved they aren't fit for purpose, Ukip still has a modicum of potential to surprise me.
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| Quote: Kosh "You don't 'stick 2 fingers up at the establishment' by voting for a bunch of racist, mysoginistic chancers. Anyone who voted UKIP is either a racist or a moron. No exceptions.
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As I've written on here for years that sort of idiocy is what drives backlashes and extremism. UKIP's popularity is one of the first manifestations of that. Telling people what to think, calling them -ists when you disagree with them is evil and stupid. Guess what normally happens to evil and stupid people - the majority rises and crushes them when they are sick of them.
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| Quote: TrinityIHC "My options at the ballot were...
Labour - No
Tories - Hell No
Greens - What's the point
English Democrats - No
Britain First - Hell No
and Ukip, so I voted for them based on process of elimination.
What a horrible racist I must be!'"
When you say Green what's the point - why? They got three times the MEPs as the LibDems and they're in government! Need to vote for them to change things (as shown by UKIPs rise).
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