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| Quote: BobbyD "Oh that's priceless, even by your "WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH.....Tories" standard.
The 2007 Welfare Reform Bill introduced Labour's very own "Bedroom Tax" on private tenants.
The 2010 Labour manifesto promised even more NHS privatisation. Don't forget Capita, Labour donors, with their logo over NHS buildings.
If you're going to spout lies, at least try and make them difficult to disprove.'"
Labour introduced the 'bedroom tax' in 2008.
How much has the contracted out Lorenzo IT system cost the NHS since 2002 when Labour signed the deal?
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| Quote: BobbyD "Oh that's priceless, even by your "WAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH.....Tories" standard.
The 2007 Welfare Reform Bill introduced Labour's very own "Bedroom Tax" on private tenants.
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The changes to Housing Benefit payments introduced by Labour were an attempt to mitigate the profiteering from private landlords and were only introduced if and when someone moved into a privately rented property. Unlike the Bedroom Tax that was introduced retrospectively, irrespective of whether there were any suitably smaller properties for a tenant to move to. Hence the absolutely farcical situation where some tenants have moved out of council and housing association properties, into smaller privately-owned properties at an increased rent and thereby, an increased level of HB
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| Quote: cod'ead "The changes to Housing Benefit payments introduced by Labour were an attempt to mitigate the profiteering from private landlords and were only introduced if and when someone moved into a privately rented property. Unlike the Bedroom Tax that was introduced retrospectively, irrespective of whether there were any suitably smaller properties for a tenant to move to. Hence the absolutely farcical situation where some tenants have moved out of council and housing association properties, into smaller privately-owned properties at an increased rent and thereby, an increased level of HB'"
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Quote: LeagueDweeb "
care to point out any inaccuracies?
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| Quote: cod'ead "care to point out any inaccuracies?'"
Care to point out the accuracies?
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Quote: LeagueDweeb "Care to point out the accuracies?'"
All of it
Now carry on, or will you do a runner from this thread? The same as you have on the Rotherham thread?
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| Quote: cod'ead "All of it
Now carry on, or will you do a runner from this thread? The same as you have on the Rotherham thread?'"
Where are the accuracies in what you said on the Labour introduction of the bedroom tax?
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Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Quote: LeagueDweeb "Where are the accuracies in what you said on the Labour introduction of the bedroom tax?'"
Labour did not introduce a bedroom tax, they introduced a cap on housing benefit that was not applied retrospectively. The cap only came into force whwn a new application for HB in the privte-rented sector was required.
The tories came up with the bedroom tax, a far more accurate description than their spare room subsidy.
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| Quote: cod'ead "Labour did not introduce a bedroom tax, they introduced a cap on housing benefit that was not applied retrospectively. The cap only came into force whwn a new application for HB in the privte-rented sector was required.
The tories came up with the bedroom tax, a far more accurate description than their spare room subsidy.'"
The LHA was a needs based system, which is exactly the same as the 'bedroom tax'. Size of property & number of rooms according to actual need.
Remarkably tenants who did move were allowed to keep the difference between what they were paid in housing benefits & what they paid to their landlord. So their was no actual saving on the benefits bill.
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Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Quote: LeagueDweeb "The LHA was a needs based system, which is exactly the same as the 'bedroom tax'. Size of property & number of rooms according to actual need.
Remarkably tenants who did move were allowed to keep the difference between what they were paid in housing benefits & what they paid to their landlord. So their was no actual saving on the benefits bill.'"
Not for the first time, you appear to be comparing apples with oranges again
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| Quote: cod'ead "Not for the first time, you appear to be comparing apples with oranges again'"
Both policies were about resource allocation. The right number of rooms being allocated on the basis of actual need.
How much Labour saved on the benefits bill by allowing tenants to keep any reduction in rent they achieved from their 'profiteering' private landlords?
How many people actually moved home as a result of the LHA?
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| Quote: LeagueDweeb "Both policies were about resource allocation. The right number of rooms being allocated on the basis of actual need.'"
And income and corporation tax are both policies about raising revenue for the government. Doesn't mean they're the same thing.
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| Seems the queen was happy about the 'no' vote
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| Quote: 100% Wire "Seems the queen was happy about the 'no' vote'"
Its a shame she cant afford her own telly. Or did he ring her before she went to bed?
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| Quote: LeagueDweeb "How many people actually moved home as a result of the LHA?'"
Quite a number actually, but don't let facts get in your way, they haven't troubled you thus far.
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