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Quote: Knuckles "Cherry picking the facts to delude yourself.'"

OK, un-cherry pick it and show us all she did

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Quote: littlerich "My family and the family business did very well in that era so no grumbles from me.'"


Well that's OK then. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: littlerich " My family and the family business did very well in that era so no grumbles from me.'"


Likewise, and I was young, self employed and invincible, and made a very good living thank you, so I understand the attitude of young Tory voters these days who believe that they don't need a support structure or that they should support others.

I've matured since then of course.

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Quote: Knuckles "Cherry picking the facts to delude yourself.'"

Yeah, I only stopped "cherry-picking" because I thought the list was already long enough to make the point.
It's an awful lot of cherries isn't it?

She campaigned with a poster showing a huge dole queue, with the slogan "Labour's Not Working" ... and, when in office, proceeded to treble unemployment.
She defeated Scargill (and, in my opinion, he was as bad as she was) but the collateral damage was absolutely immense, quite apart from that inflicted on the mining industry and the support industries around it.

Did she care?
Did she hell, as long as the City was happy, she was happy.
No plan for the aftermath, no plan at all, just happy to slash and burn and let people suffer, just like the current crop in Downing Street.

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One of my most cherished possessions is an inscribed miniature brass miner's lamp presented to me by the Notts NUM as a thank you for the work I and a few friends did during the strike. We would collect groceries donated by people in supermarket car parks and run them down to miner's clubs to be shared out amongst the striker's families. I made that trip three times a week for over six months and was glad to do it. There was real hardship among the mining communities and it just seemed like the right thing to do. You could safely say that I was no fan of Thatcher then and my opinion hasn't changed that much since. She was dismissive of all opposition and altogether too strident for my taste.

But she was an elected leader of a democratic country who kept on being elected and so must have had the support of a sizeable proportion of the electorate. Comparisons to Pinochet and other dictators are childish and unworthy of those who make them, and diminish the experience of those who suffered under real dictatorships.

And now she is dead. Whilst I cannot say that I will mourn her, the reaction of many on this thread is shameful. I have rarely seen such mean spirited bile masquerading as legitimate comment.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "Or, that conservatism is an ideology he fundamentally disagrees with.

If anything, the fact you think blair and brown were ‘typical labour’ shows it is your view that is jaundiced by bias.

Anything to say defending her from sending the SAS to train Pol Pots Khmer Rouge in Guerrila combat?
Her protection of Pinochet?

Her relationship with Jimmy Saville?

Her relationship with the corrupt House of Saud and involvement in dealing arms to them?

The poll tax?'"



Supporting apartheid

Her handling of Northern Ireland

Her reaction to Hillsborough

Her attitude to Liverpool during and after the 1981 riots

etc etc etc

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Quote: gloryhunter "

And now she is dead. Whilst I cannot say that I will mourn her, the reaction of many on this thread is shameful. I have rarely seen such mean spirited bile masquerading as legitimate comment.'"




No problem with that but to have The Sun criticising peoples reaction reeks of double standards and whilst on subject of Thatcher the "Gotcha" headline was hardly tactful and respectful of the dead. Add in how they handled recent deaths of Saddam, Gaddafi, Bin Ladden and others and closer to home their edition after Hillsborough means that however vile peoples reactions might be they will never sink as low as our biggest selling national paper has done.

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This is interesting. Coincidentally the man who wrote the song (ding dong the witch is dead) - Oscar Award-winning Yip Harburg - was born on 8 April, the same day that Thatcher died. Its an intresting world icon_wink.gif

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After the déjà vous of another Labour clusterflip term in office, my God do we need her now. Imagine 40 Bob Crow's and 13% on the dole queue.

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Quote: Knuckles "After the déjà vous of another Labour clusterflip term in office, my God do we need her now. Imagine 40 Bob Crow's and 13% on the dole queue.'"



13% on the dole....when exactly was that unemployment was far higher under her than pre-the 1979 election (though to be fair the figures are manipulated so much these days no one even those in government has a clue what the true unemployment figures are in this country without even factoring in under-employment).

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Quote: Knuckles "After the déjà vous of another Labour clusterflip term in office, my God do we need her now. Imagine 40 Bob Crow's and 13% on the dole queue.'"

WTF are you talking about now?
At least my "cherries" were factual, I have no idea where you are plucking these stream-of-consciousness gobbets from.

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Quote: El Barbudo "WTF are you talking about now?
At least my "cherries" were factual, I have no idea where you are plucking these stream-of-consciousness gobbets from.[/
I was there and lived it. I was one of those 13% and listened to those 40 union mafia bosses on the telly every day, I don't need anyone to tell me anything.





We'll never agree, so give up.
I served Queen and country during her tenure and have the scars to prove it, and saw it close up, so don't lecture me !

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Quote: Knuckles "
I was there and lived it. I was one of those 13% and listened to those 40 union mafia bosses on the telly every day, I don't need anyone to tell me anything.

We'll never agree, so give up.
I served Queen and country during her tenure and have the scars to prove it, and saw it close up, so don't lecture me !'"
In which force did you serve and receive your wounds?

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Quote: SmokeyTA "In which force did you serve and receive your wounds?'"



Yeh, right mate, do one!

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