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| Quote: Dally "That's their decision. But, if M&S is representative then public sector pay would remain level. So, it's a non-point.'"
It is not just M&S though, it's the way the vast majority of large companies with a nationwide presence work, apart from some form of London-weighting. If the NHS were to follow suit, what do you think would happen to hospital staffing in regional border areas?
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| Quote: Dally "Provided it is done well, it is a sensible idea. Public sector pay should reflect local employment market conditions otherwise there is a major distortion in the labour market. Under the current system public sector workers get paid relatively well in, say, the NE then there are two ramifications of that - private sector growth in the NE is liklely to be stifled (as the best people will work in the public sector there) and people in, say, London doing the equivalent public sector job as their NE colleague will be under-paid relative to the local jobs market. That will result in less good staff being retained.
In, say, NHS terms, that might serve to smooth out the postcode lottery.'"
As I have pointed out to you before, Mr HWS is trying to get out of public sector and is going after jobs in the private sector and what he is finding is higher pay in the private sector than the public sector for the same job just in a different environment. I have spoken before about why he has stayed with the public sector, he always thought he would be safe working in schools but they are mostly turning into acadamies or free schools which are all run privately without using council services.
No one is disputing regional pay in London, everyone knows about the weighting system, but for a profession like teachers, they should get better pay for having to teach in the inner city schools as they have a lot more to cope with then say a teacher in Henley on Thames. What you are also going to see is the better areas get better (more public sector workers) and the not so better areas are going to get even worse (no one will want to work for less pay). Sound familiar in a different context?
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Quote: Dally "Provided it is done well, it is a sensible idea. '"
Your whole argument hinges and completely fails on that one statement.
Do you seriously expect anything that this bunch of chancers attempt, to be "done well"?
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| Quote: cod'ead "
Do you seriously expect anything that this bunch of chancers attempt, to be "done well"?'"
No.
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| Quote: cod'ead "Your whole argument hinges and completely fails on that one statement.
Do you seriously expect anything that this bunch of chancers attempt, to be "done well"?'"
Chancers is right. The latest loony right proposal is to bring back sacking on the spot. Which is how it was when I first started work. I used to work for the Cat dealer in the sixties. They had several D8 engines fail in a few weeks, and every time one failed the fitter who built it was sacked. It later turned out that the problem was with the engine bearings. 3 -4 fitters down the road, of course they never came back. Not too bad in the sixties, could lead to disaster today for the person in question.
I have further personal experience of the benefits of employment protection. My son worked for a nationally known electronics retailer. He was scapegoated and sacked for someone else's mistake. Fortunately thanks to the current employment law he was able to seek redress and got some worthwhile compensation. This lot are trying to introduce a sacker's charter. Apart from the human consequences, what about its effect on the economy generally with people being reluctant to spend on large ticket items in case they get the sack tomorrow.
IMO this lot aim to put employment relations back into the 19th century. Some of the suggestions in the current report that have been dropped included the alteration of child labour laws. But then they guy who wrote it is a large contributor to Tory funds so he must be right - mustn't he?
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2051.jpg The older I get, the better I was
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Although I long discounted the concept of a New World Order, I'm now far from convinced that what we are currently experiencing isn't a strategy for something similar.
Democracy is dying on its feet, there are Eurpoean nation states who have had leaders imposed on them from Brussels, the people had no vote and no choice in the matter. The IMF, WTO, World Bank and other institutions dictate how countries should operate and trade with each other. Money, old and new looks to make ever more money without a thought to the social, human and environmental consequences. The vast majority of the world's population are now under some form of slavery, whether that be physical slaves, wage slaves or simply mortgage slaves.
This government is no different to many others, they do not serve the people, they serve money and will push through whatever is required to ensure that those with money get the greater "wealth" that they desire.
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Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| rlStefan Stern's view of the Beecroft Reportrl
Metaphorically ripping it into 4, threading a bit of string through the pieces and hanging it on a nail in the outside lavvy
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| Quote: cod'ead "rlStefan Stern's view of the Beecroft Reportrl
Metaphorically ripping it into 4, threading a bit of string through the pieces and hanging it on a nail in the outside lavvy'"
I love the way Mr Beecroft's response to Vince Cable's dismissal of his report isVince Cable is a socialist who "appears to do very little to support business"'"
rlhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18170333rl
Beecroft is Gordon Gecko, isn't he?
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| I'm still trying to work out what jobs would have been created if Beecroft's original desire of getting rid of regulations on child employment had been carried through.
If this is all about boosting the economy, then how many employers would like to employ children but cannot currently do so because of regulations – and what jobs would they be creating?
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2051.jpg The older I get, the better I was
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| Quote: MickeyMo "I love the way Mr Beecroft's response to Vince Cable's dismissal of his report ishttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18170333rl
Beecroft is Gordon Gecko, isn't he?'"
It's speaks volumes of just how "in-touch" Beecroft is if he thinks Cable is a socialist
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1977_1349889235.jpg "You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
"Dare to know!" [i:2886spie]Immanuel Kant[/i:2886spie]
"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" [i:2886spie]Elbert Hubbard[/i:2886spie]
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." [i:2886spie]Oscar Wilde[/i:2886spie]
[url=http://thevoluptuousmanifesto.blogspot.co.uk:2886spie][color=#4000FF:2886spie]The Voluptuous Manifesto[/color:2886spie][/url:2886spie] – thoughts on all sorts of stuff.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1977.jpg |
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| Quote: cod'ead "It's speaks volumes of just how "in-touch" Beecroft is if he thinks Cable is a socialist'"
It speaks volumes for just how far elements of the Conservative Party is moving to the right that this sort of thing sees the light of day.
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2051.jpg The older I get, the better I was
Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| More from the "you couldn't make it up" department.
rlIan Duncan Smith to announce benefit cuts for claimants who refuse drug or alcohol treatmentsrl
He can spot an expert miles away can this bloke. Not content with Atos making disability diagnoses via a checklist, he's now proposing that Jobcentre+ staff will be able to tell if a claimant has a drug or alcohol problem and if those "suspected" of being an addict refuse treatment, they can authorise a cut in benefits. All this while dependency treatment centres are seeing their budgets slashed or are closed alltogether
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| Quote: cod'ead "More from the "you couldn't make it up" department.
rlIan Duncan Smith to announce benefit cuts for claimants who refuse drug or alcohol treatmentsrl
He can spot an expert miles away can this bloke. Not content with Atos making disability diagnoses via a checklist, he's now proposing that Jobcentre+ staff will be able to tell if a claimant has a drug or alcohol problem and if those "suspected" of being an addict refuse treatment, they can authorise a cut in benefits. All this while dependency treatment centres are seeing their budgets slashed or are closed alltogether'"
[iUnemployed people suspected of suffering from alcoholism or drug addiction will have their benefits cut if they refuse treatment for their condition[/i
Suspected ?
You only have to suspect someone of drug or alcohol dependency in order to cut their benefits ?
Does the fool understand the nature of alcoholism ?
Does he acknowledge that theres a fighting chance that some of the job centre counter staff will themselves be alcoholics and yet none of their work mates will suspect a thing and won't have done for years, does he really believe that its easy to spot an alcoholic because they all slur their words and dress like they've just slept in a hedge ?
Does he really think that he is in touch with reality or is he just absolutely desperate now to cut something else, anything else ?
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Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't
I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy
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kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator."
cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen"
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"No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg |
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| rlYet another example of a typical, feckless wastrel claiming benefitsrl
I just don't know what we'll end up doing with these people. Is this really the "Big Society"
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1977_1349889235.jpg "You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
"Dare to know!" [i:2886spie]Immanuel Kant[/i:2886spie]
"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" [i:2886spie]Elbert Hubbard[/i:2886spie]
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." [i:2886spie]Oscar Wilde[/i:2886spie]
[url=http://thevoluptuousmanifesto.blogspot.co.uk:2886spie][color=#4000FF:2886spie]The Voluptuous Manifesto[/color:2886spie][/url:2886spie] – thoughts on all sorts of stuff.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1977.jpg |
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| An absolute disgrace. I await the apologists for this government coming on to explain why this is even remotely acceptable in a supposedly civilised society.
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