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Quote: Knuckles "Most of those who say the wicked thing probably don't know the Britain before she came along and if they prefer that Britain, then she saved us from them without us having a civil war, for I for one was prepared to fight for my country against the left of the 70's and if you're one of them, then We beat you !'"

Where does one begin in responding to stuff like this?

I knew the Britain before she came along and I knew the Britain as it was during her tenure.
Massive unemployment, sky-high interest rates, flogging-off anything they could think of (not using the proceeds for any investment, oh no, just to fund short-term tax cuts), throwing millions of people out of work (not only miners) and reducing unemployment benefit at the same time, moving people from the unemployed register onto the disabled list to make the figures look better, squandering North Sea Oil revenues, boom-bust-boom-bust economics, abolishing councils where the electorate had voted Labour in, using the police as a private army, moving the planning process from elected councils to unelected "Development corporations", using public money to build the infrastructure at Canary Wharf whilst bragging that it was all privately financed, turning a blind eye to BA's dirty tricks that brought down Freddie Laker (because BA couldn't be seen to fail, it had been privatised !), flogging off BL to BAe who quickly sold it again at a profit once they had persuaded the government to relinquish their "Golden share" which was supposed to prevent such an occurrence, allowing Nestle to buy Rowntree despite the fact that Swiss law as it stood would have prevented any such move by a British firm trying to take over a Swiss one, allowing nurses pay to dwindle to the point where even the moderate RCN threatened to strike, running down state schools and hospitals, introducing the poll tax, ministers taking posts on the board of industries that they had privatised, preventing councils from building housing to replace stock sold via right-to-buy, presiding over the first widening of the gap between rich and poor incomes since mid-Victorian times, "Care in the community".

Basically, greed and hypocrisy ruled.

And you were "[iprepared to fight for my country against the left of the 70's [/i" ?
What a wonderful utopia you created, eh?

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Funny this, as yesterday I suspect most of the spouting and commenting was done by those who had no political awareness of what was going on in the late 70's early 80's.

taxes were high and this country was always going to shift from a manufacturing base to a service base. We couldn't compete with the rest of the world industrially and whichever PM was in power could only really manage that change.

We had the best person at the time for that job as the only alternative was either Foot or Cinnock who were completely incompetent. The only thing that may have improved things was if John Smith hadn't died. He looked to have the stuff to push us forward.

We were importing coal from Australia cheaper that the UK miners we're digging it out. This was due to long shrewd negotiations by a strong union against a weak Michael Foot. So we the tax payers were paying the mining industry vast amounts in wages and guaranteed overtime to dig coal to be put into a pile as no one could afford it. someone had to stand up to that and say it was wrong. That's where a lot of the oil and gas money went in funding that

Now some of the smart mine workers took their cash and made wadges of money in the privetisation. The even smarter ones ed off to the south of Spain with their lot. The not so smart didn't and looked around for someone to blame. Even Scargill and that slimy Derek Hatton managed to line their own pockets.

Remember to all those who moan, if not for that period of Government you wouldn't be on the property ladder at all.

I don't agree with a lot of the policy, and certainly not with her involvement on the Hillsborough cover up, but there was good as well in those times.

The comments coming from those who celebrate her death claim to be working class. Celebrating any death shows those up as having simply no class at all.

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Just been looking through my montage of Maggie portraits.

This is my favourite, what do you all think? Would have been better in her usual "soft blue" but this picture i feel shows her warmth the best. There are many more obviously.



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Quote: Steve51 "
The comments coming from those who celebrate her death claim to be working class. Celebrating any death shows those up as having simply no class at all.'"


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Quote: littlerich "Just been looking through my montage of Maggie portraits.

This is my favourite, what do you all think? Would have been better in her usual "soft blue" but this picture i feel shows her warmth the best. There are many more obviously.

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She has no warmth towards anyone who disagreed with her so where you get the idea she has warmth from I don't know. How about posting that photo of her with tears in her eyes ( did she rust ? ) when she was leaving Downing Street for the last time please.

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In Tony, we trust.:



Quote: El Barbudo "Where does one begin in responding to stuff like this?

I knew the Britain before she came along and I knew the Britain as it was during her tenure.
Massive unemployment, sky-high interest rates, flogging-off anything they could think of (not using the proceeds for any investment, oh no, just to fund short-term tax cuts), throwing millions of people out of work (not only miners) and reducing unemployment benefit at the same time, moving people from the unemployed register onto the disabled list to make the figures look better, squandering North Sea Oil revenues, boom-bust-boom-bust economics, abolishing councils where the electorate had voted Labour in, using the police as a private army, moving the planning process from elected councils to unelected "Development corporations", using public money to build the infrastructure at Canary Wharf whilst bragging that it was all privately financed, turning a blind eye to BA's dirty tricks that brought down Freddie Laker (because BA couldn't be seen to fail, it had been privatised !), flogging off BL to BAe who quickly sold it again at a profit once they had persuaded the government to relinquish their "Golden share" which was supposed to prevent such an occurrence, allowing Nestle to buy Rowntree despite the fact that Swiss law as it stood would have prevented any such move by a British firm trying to take over a Swiss one, allowing nurses pay to dwindle to the point where even the moderate RCN threatened to strike, running down state schools and hospitals, introducing the poll tax, ministers taking posts on the board of industries that they had privatised, preventing councils from building housing to replace stock sold via right-to-buy, presiding over the first widening of the gap between rich and poor incomes since mid-Victorian times, "Care in the community".

Basically, greed and hypocrisy ruled.

And you were "[iprepared to fight for my country against the left of the 70's [/i" ?
What a wonderful utopia you created, eh?'"




Cherry picking the facts to delude yourself.

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Quote: cod'ead "What are you on about now soft cock?

I never voted for "this", whatever "this" means. I've never voted tory, nor will I ever'"



Your never vote Tory comment is what undermines your point of view, its not based on reason, but bias.
So the current state of the country brought about by 13 years of typical Labour rule ala 70's is what you deserve !

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That was a sad day wasn't it? The tears show the warmth - the love for her country and the love for the job. Post imcumbents couldn't give a toss about the country or their job. She was strong and firm where she needed to be, with the party political machine, the opposition (to be fair, not a hard job with loony Labour), her European counterparts and pondlife such as Scargill. My family and the family business did very well in that era so no grumbles from me.

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Quote: Knuckles "Your never vote Tory comment is what undermines your point of view, its not based on reason, but bias.
So the current state of the country brought about by 13 years of typical Labour rule ala 70's is what you deserve !'"

Or, that conservatism is an ideology he fundamentally disagrees with.

If anything, the fact you think blair and brown were ‘typical labour’ shows it is your view that is jaundiced by bias.

Anything to say defending her from sending the SAS to train Pol Pots Khmer Rouge in Guerrila combat?
Her protection of Pinochet?

Her relationship with Jimmy Saville?

Her relationship with the corrupt House of Saud and involvement in dealing arms to them?

The poll tax?

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Quote: Steve51 "Funny this, as yesterday I suspect most of the spouting and commenting was done by those who had no political awareness of what was going on in the late 70's early 80's.

taxes were high and this country was always going to shift from a manufacturing base to a service base. We couldn't compete with the rest of the world industrially and whichever PM was in power could only really manage that change.

We had the best person at the time for that job as the only alternative was either Foot or Cinnock who were completely incompetent. The only thing that may have improved things was if John Smith hadn't died. He looked to have the stuff to push us forward.

'"


Cant disagree with any of that, its why I voted for her in 79 (???) and the next time around, there was no viable alternative - its also amazing how many of those celebrating in various cities are obviously under 30 years of age and possibly wouldn't even have been born when she was ousted by her own people.

I always remember an old boss of mine at her first election saying that the country (at that time) needed to change the party in government at every election simply because we needed four years of low spending and low taxes followed by four years of high taxes but high public spending, and in the context of those times he was right and in the main thats what happened.

It doesn't happen now of course because as a political commentator mentioned yesterday the Labour Party is currently somewhere to the right of what MacMillan's Tory government was - we now have three main party's singing off the same Oxford University PPE designed songsheet rather than MP's who represented an ethos and/or their social environment and background.

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Quote: littlerich ". My family and the family business did very well in that era so no grumbles from me.'"

That’s her pretty much in a nutshell

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Quote: Knuckles "Cherry picking the facts to delude yourself.'"

OK, un-cherry pick it and show us all she did

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Quote: littlerich "My family and the family business did very well in that era so no grumbles from me.'"


Well that's OK then. icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: littlerich " My family and the family business did very well in that era so no grumbles from me.'"


Likewise, and I was young, self employed and invincible, and made a very good living thank you, so I understand the attitude of young Tory voters these days who believe that they don't need a support structure or that they should support others.

I've matured since then of course.

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Quote: Knuckles "Cherry picking the facts to delude yourself.'"

Yeah, I only stopped "cherry-picking" because I thought the list was already long enough to make the point.
It's an awful lot of cherries isn't it?

She campaigned with a poster showing a huge dole queue, with the slogan "Labour's Not Working" ... and, when in office, proceeded to treble unemployment.
She defeated Scargill (and, in my opinion, he was as bad as she was) but the collateral damage was absolutely immense, quite apart from that inflicted on the mining industry and the support industries around it.

Did she care?
Did she hell, as long as the City was happy, she was happy.
No plan for the aftermath, no plan at all, just happy to slash and burn and let people suffer, just like the current crop in Downing Street.

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