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Quote: Euclid "It's not only politicians who are short termist, voters can be too.....'"


This.

Do the media still tell us how much booze and fags are going up before anything else on Budget Day?

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rlAnd Jewsons ratchet up the price of sandbags.rl

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I wonder if Harry and Wills would have been helping out if the floods were up in...say, Lancashire?

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Quote: Mintball "rlAnd Jewsons ratchet up the price of sandbags.rl'"

I won't take the Jewson lot then...

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Price elasticity of supply and demand.

Cost of rental properties in Hull went sky-high when the floods hit back in 07.

I had an empty 4 bedroom rental property during this period and several people who had been flooded enquired about it.

As it was a good property in a nice area, and people were fighting over it, I got offers of £850 a month, compared with my original advertised price of £650 a month.

Very much like the housing market in decent areas of London, where if you have a decent property there will be a bidding war and you will exceed your original asking price.

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Quote: The Video Ref "Price elasticity of supply and demand.

Cost of rental properties in Hull went sky-high when the floods hit back in 07.

I had an empty 4 bedroom rental property during this period and several people who had been flooded enquired about it.

As it was a good property in a nice area, and people were fighting over it, I got offers of £850 a month, compared with my original advertised price of £650 a month.

Very much like the housing market in decent areas of London, where if you have a decent property there will be a bidding war and you will exceed your original asking price.'"


There's nothing wrong with what Jewson are doing, however, there'll be a reckoning at some point. Back during one of the fuel strikes an enterprising young man decided that petrol could be flogged far more expensively than normal, which is fine as long as a ) you have an endless supply and b ) the strike lasts forever. He didn't, it didn't. He went bust soon after.

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Quote: Mintball "As non sequiturs go, that's spectacular.'"

Awww, shucks, thanks!.

Quote: Mintball "A slight pointIndeed, however, the sea constantly batters our coastline, the natural and man made flood defences do a pretty good year round job of keeping us fairly dry, but there's always that chance that the water being pulled just a bit like [ithat[/i will mean it is able to get through just [ithere[/i.
Quote: Mintball "Yes, electoral considerations may intervene, but the example of the Netherlands is entirely legitimate as one of showing that, irrespective of the political differences of different governments (there have been prime ministers from three different Dutch parties since 1980 as an example), if the political will is there, long-term planning and long-term action can occur.'"
The Netherlands had/has little choice but to invest in flood defences, something like 50% of the country is less than 1m above sea level, which is fine if you're land locked and miles from water, not so much if you're a coastal country.
Quote: Mintball "Successive governments have apparently had scientists warning of what was going to happen, but have chosen to fiddle while the floods become more frequent.'"
Have floods become more frequent, or are they now just being noticed because houses now stand where once was uninhabited land. I don't often agree with Monbiot, but trees make a hell of a difference, and looking at the aerial shots of the flooded areas there's a lack of those to soak up water.
Quote: Mintball "We need some sort of consensus, across all parties, on what needs to be done, because there's no indication that these are simply "freak events", as Owen Paterson likes to characterise them. One would think that that would be common sense.'"

They're not freak events in so much that parts of the country has flooded since the year dot, and will continue to do so, what we have now though are pictures of people up to their knees in water dumbfounded that the lovely house they bought in the country with the river at the end of the garden could end up like this.

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After all the rainfall and floods, it looks like we now have to be aware of the threat from giant swans



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That's just an example of swan upping.

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Quote: Stand-Offish "That's just an example of swan upping.'"

Surely swan-upmanship?

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The Netherlands had/has little choice but to invest in flood defences, something like 50% of the country is less than 1m above sea level, which is fine if you're land locked and miles from water, not so much if you're a coastal country.'"


Erm, who's landlocked and miles from water?

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Quote: cod'ead "After all the rainfall and floods, it looks like we now have to be aware of the threat from giant swans

'"


There is a small bald man sitting inside that swan, peddling like mad you can just see the top of his head above its folded wing.

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Quote: JerryChicken "There is a small bald man sitting inside that swan, peddling like mad you can just see the top of his head above its folded wing.'"


Can't you see all them callous asylum seekers leering out of that top flat window hatching a plan to trap then BBQ one of her majestys beautiful swans?

Evil bastads, I tell thee!!! icon_twisted.gif

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Quote: BobbyD "Awww, shucks, thanks!'"


My pleasure entirely.

Quote: BobbyD "Indeed, however, the sea constantly batters our coastline, the natural and man made flood defences do a pretty good year round job of keeping us fairly dry, but there's always that chance that the water being pulled just a bit like [ithat[/i will mean it is able to get through just [ithere[/i.'"


However, such extreme events are becoming more regular – and this winter's tidal surges were so severe as to destroy or damage many defences.

Quote: BobbyD "The Netherlands had/has little choice but to invest in flood defences, something like 50% of the country is less than 1m above sea level, which is fine if you're land locked and miles from water, not so much if you're a coastal country...'"


The point remainsimproving it. We have had successive governments, irrespective of the work of their own scientists, routinely cutting spending or ignoring the need to improve defences, infrastructure etc, on the grounds of political expediency and nothing else.

Quote: BobbyD "Have floods become more frequent, or are they now just being noticed because houses now stand where once was uninhabited land...'"


Yes, I think they have. We've always had occasional freak weather, but what is happening now is that is becoming more regular – and not just more regular, but in more places at one time or over a short period of time.

We have, in effect, lost any sense of the seasons

I'd treat Monbiot with some care

As I said above, the frequency with which such events are occurring is increasing. And looking at many of the houses we see in pictures of flooded areas, these are not developments that have all been built in the last 20 years.

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Quote: Big Graeme "Erm, who's landlocked and miles from water?'"


I think he's saying that it's okay to have land below sea level [iif[/i you're landlocked. But then neither are we, which is what destroys his point.

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