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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Federal government to sort out national issues such as immigration, broadcasting, postal service, drivers licences, defence, etc.'"
Driving licences are done by each state. |
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "The death penalty in certain states of the UK would be interesting...!'"
Mandatory death penalty for everyone in Merseyside. |
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| Quote: Wellsy13 " The death penalty in certain states of the UK would be interesting...!'"
Especially when that "state" was forced to leave the EU |
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I'm not sure why there would be any issues becoming a federal system, all you need to do is devolve the same things to the regions that Scotland gets and turn the HoL into an elected second chamber to oversea the regions and control the non-devolved issues.
Then we'd be only one step away for getting rid of Liz and her accidents of birth and have an elected head of state.
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| Quote: Big Graeme "I'm not sure why there would be any issues becoming a federal system, all you need to do is devolve the same things to the regions that Scotland gets and turn the HoL into an elected second chamber to oversea the regions and control the non-devolved issues.
Then we'd be only one step away for getting rid of Liz and her accidents of birth and have an elected head of state.'"
Where do I sign? |
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| Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "Driving licences are done by each state.'"
Is it possible to be declined a licence in one state for, say, health reasons rather than an accumulated points ban or drink driving conviction, and then apply for a licence in another state and be granted one ? |
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| Quote: Big Graeme "I'm not sure why there would be any issues becoming a federal system, all you need to do is devolve the same things to the regions that Scotland gets and turn the HoL into an elected second chamber to oversea the regions and control the non-devolved issues.
Then we'd be only one step away for getting rid of Liz and her accidents of birth and have an elected head of state.'"
Who would set income tax rates in England? |
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| Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "Driving licences are done by each state.'"
They are, but I don't think it would be necessary in a federal UK, unless each state opted for different road traffic laws (which would be interesting I suppose). 80mph national speed limit changing to 70mph as you cross a state border, and learning to drive at 16 or 18 rather than 17 dependent in youth issues in each state. Curfews. |
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| Quote: JerryChicken "Is it possible to be declined a licence in one state for, say, health reasons rather than an accumulated points ban or drink driving conviction, and then apply for a licence in another state and be granted one ?'"
It certainly used to be possible here.
In 1971 I copped a 12 month ban for being over the limit, I then went and worked the summer season in Guernsey. While there I took one driving lesson and put in for my test. Passed that, got my Guernsey driver's licence and drove on that when I returned to the mainland, until my UK licence was returned |
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Like I say, I'd need to know more about what the other models operate like before even coming up with an answer to the latter.
The former is an interesting one. I used the current regions of England as an example, but I probably wouldn't use them exactly. I think there'd need to be some form of identity and culture behind each state, but accept that would be fairly difficult to achieve!
I'll give it a stab though!...
So the Federal States of the UK
Scotland isn't a region, it's a country. It has it's own Parliament. Wales isn't a region, it's a country. It has it's own Northern Ireland isn't a region, it's a country. It has it's own Parliament. England is a country. It doesn't have it's own Parliament.
That is the answer. An English Parliament with English MP's voting on laws for the English.
Regional devolution is a Labour party tactic to deflect from the West Lothian question & to try & gloss over it's blatant self interest. Miliband talks of the political class & Westminster elite not working for the people, yet he is doing exactly that by denying the English the same as the Scots in order to keep at least 40 Labour MP's in Westminster.
he knows that the domino effect of England & then perhaps the Weslh following Scotland will decimate the Labour party. Self interest before democracy.
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| Quote: Big Graeme "I'm not sure why there would be any issues becoming a federal system, all you need to do is devolve the same things to the regions that Scotland gets and turn the HoL into an elected second chamber to oversea the regions and control the non-devolved issues.
Then we'd be only one step away for getting rid of Liz and her accidents of birth and have an elected head of state.'"
I'd happily sign up to there being four countries, each with it's own parliaments, with the West Lothian question cleared up once & for all, & with the Lords swept away.
Regional devolution is a sham to help Labour avoid losing 40+ MP's |
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| Quote: LeagueDweeb "Scotland isn't a region, it's a country. It has it's own Parliament. Wales isn't a region, it's a country. It has it's own Northern Ireland isn't a region, it's a country. It has it's own Parliament. England is a country. It doesn't have it's own Parliament.
That is the answer. An English Parliament with English MP's voting on laws for the English.'"
Yes, I know they are all constituent p
Regional devolution is a Labour party tactic to deflect from the West Lothian question & to try & gloss over it's blatant self interest. Miliband talks of the political class & Westminster elite not working for the people, yet he is doing exactly that by denying the English the same as the Scots in order to keep at least 40 Labour MP's in Westminster.
he knows that the domino effect of England & then perhaps the Weslh following Scotland will decimate the Labour party. Self interest before democracy.'"
What difference would it make to the north of England if there was an English parliament as opposed to a British one?
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "
What difference would it make to the north of England if there was an English parliament as opposed to a British one?'"
Maybe it's the English parliament that could repeal the Fixed Term Parliaments Act? As I'm reliably informed the UK parliament can't.
But then I don't know whether that's a fact or not. |
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Yes, I know they are all constituent p
Regional devolution is a Labour party tactic to deflect from the West Lothian question & to try & gloss over it's blatant self interest. Miliband talks of the political class & Westminster elite not working for the people, yet he is doing exactly that by denying the English the same as the Scots in order to keep at least 40 Labour MP's in Westminster.
he knows that the domino effect of England & then perhaps the Weslh following Scotland will decimate the Labour party. Self interest before democracy.'"
What difference would it make to the north of England if there was an English parliament as opposed to a British one?'"
What difference would regional devolution actually make? On what basis do you belive it's either democratically or intellectually acceptable for Scottish MP's to vote on matters that are nothing to do with the Scots?
The Labour activists pushing this are not doing so to benefit anyone but themselves.
As shown with the complete rejection of the suggested North East assembly, there is no appetite anywhere for this.
The No campaign who said Scotland going independent would create a race to the bottom if control of business rates & taxes were handed over are now proposing exactly the same for egions. How would the same thing not happen between the regions?
It's all a sham to try and make sure Labour retain as much control as possible and maintain the anti democratic West Lothian situation. They don't want an English Parliament because it's not goof for them.
The English should have the same democratic representation as anyone else, and if Labour policies aren't popular enough for them to win a majority in an English Parliament, well they will have to create policies that are.
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| Quote: LeagueDweeb "
What difference would regional devolution actually make? On what basis do you belive it's either democratically or intellectually acceptable for Scottish MP's to vote on matters that are nothing to do with the Scots?
The Labour activists pushing this are not doing so to benefit anyone but themselves.
As shown with the complete rejection of the suggested North East assembly, there is no appetite anywhere for this.
The No campaign who said Scotland going independent would create a race to the bottom if control of business rates & taxes were handed over are now proposing exactly the same for egions. How would the same thing not happen between the regions?
It's all a sham to try and make sure Labour retain as much control as possible and maintain the anti democratic West Lothian situation. They don't want an English Parliament because it's not goof for them.
The English should have the same democratic representation as anyone else, and if Labour policies aren't popular enough for them to win a majority in an English Parliament, well they will have to create policies that are.'"
I'm not even going to attempt to pick holes in that pile of barely-coherent [is[/ihite.
It's beyond parody but at least I can handle the Quote function on here |
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