I'm fully aware of how British politics works.

However with both of the main parties split down the middle on the Brexit issue, there had to be some collective working on Brexit.

Unfortunately, post referendum, Mrs May made it quite clear that the views of others wouldn't be listened to, never mind acrted upon, with the exception of the loyalists onf N. Ireland (whose support she needed to prop up her self inflicted minority government).

Had she gaine some consensus, on the back of "fulfilling the wishes of the people", perhaps there may have been a different tradjectory for both the negotiations and it's support within parliament.

What's also increddible is the silence of many of Labour's "leave" MP's and it appears that not one of them is prepared to break rank in order to deliver Brexit (well Mrs May's version of Brexit, anyway).


It appears that Comrade Corbyn is holding his party together, far better than his Tory counterpart, again, quite increddible.

We both know the parties aren't split down the middle - the remainers significantly out number the leavers in Parliment.

How do gain agreement when nobody wants to leave - its impossible - the EU would have had a greater pushover than they have already have - how would a concensus with the SNP work?

Labour have one shot at power don't convert this and they might as well give up - Corbyn may be doing a good job of keeping his party together pity his magic isn't working on the potential electorate.

His best hope is that May hangs around for a while longer.

It's interesting that Brexit and the subsequent mess has become Corbyn's fault - and many people assume that the power to fix it rests solely with him; we seem to have done some weird volte face, in which the MSM and some celebrities robustly hold the opposition to account, whilst giving the Government a free pass - assisted by the timely appearance of Schrodinger's drone...

I really don't see the confusion over what he said this weekend - it's exactly what he's said since being given a mandate at conference; oppose the crappy deal May is clinging to, push for a GE when it's voted down, and failing that (for fail it will) all options remain on the table - including a second vote.

It always helps to read the story and not just the headline.

My criticism is really with the ‘all options remain on the table’. It’s getting a bit late in the day for that.

May’s mistake, well one of them, has been to chuck too much red meat the way of the ERG, and it is clear now she could never realistically sate them. So she’s now having to surreptiously reach across the floor/blackmail the opposition into voting for a deal that is very poorly aligned with their (admittedly diverse) priorities and is broadly unpopular.

Labour’s chances in a GE could also be boosted by a split in the Conservative party, which increasingly feels like it would be a real possibility if it came to that.

I doubt it. When the chips are down they'll all pull together. If there's any split it will come from a few on the far right of the party rather than the "wets" like Soubry. Even then I'd expect them to want to move the whole party rightwards rather than start UKIP-lite. Especially as UKIP is off limits to anyone who isn't an out and out racist now.

I cant believe that UKIP are racist, such lovely people who happened to want a reduction in immigration.

I see your point and I’d normally think the same.

I just don’t see how they could all campaign for the same manifesto or even leader, if the GE came before a Brexit deal was agreed.

This is what I posted in respect of a Labour MP opposing another referendum
A referendum based on lies. Now the people know what it means give them a proper vote. Dominic Raab probably the next Tory leader is clear it will not be £350m to the NHS but to reducing business tax. David Davis cannot wait to sign a free trade deal with America so we can get all their cheap poisonous meat and give their insurance companies entry to the NHS. Not good to see Labour MPs in bed with Putin and Trump both of whom see a weaker Europe leading to a stronger Russia and America . As much as I support Corbyn he is sending us down a dangerous route. Leave the Eu and lose the next election and everything the left has stood for since 1945 will be gone

All the Tories need to do is put up a younger fresher face who can speak coherently and they will see off Corbyn and his 'art house' cronies.

Bring on Boris!

Sadly a large proportion of the population do not vote on policies. More faux outrage in the gutter press about car parking charges at hospitals, conveniently ignoring the fact hospitals are having to do it to survive.

I agree - but the blame for that can be laid at the door of Mrs May and her succession of incompetent Brexit Ministers, who've run the clock down only to achieve a 'deal' that suits nobody.

However, if there's a serious attempt to restart and negotiate something that works for everyone, Article 50 could be extended, with the agreement of the EU27; and the ECJ has already ruled that the UK can revoke it unilaterally - so in the event of a 2nd vote, the whole thing could be binned.

So whilst I agree it's late in the day, all options do, technically, remain on the table.

Plenty of options but, very little time.
Just imagine if May was ousted and we had to go through a further round of negotiations.

Trump, having got the US ecconomy booming, appears to have burst the bubble in some style, with his "shoot from the hip diplomacy" now costing the US ecconomy and stock market, which will inevitably mean the ripples and fall out coming our way.
We have an ecconomy bumping along with very little growth and the Trump effect + Brexit will mean yet more "fun" for the masses.
Whilst or politicians play schoolyard games, the country is starting to slide downhill and whether we end up with Corbyn or anyone else, the whole Brexit nonsense is coming at a particularly bad time.

Happ new year everyone

Except for in the circumstances I described; the EU 27 would undoubtedly allow the UK to postpone Article 50 - and it can be rescinded altogether without their permission, should a PV happen and the UK demonstrate that it's changed position.

I don't necessarily advocate it, but those people suggesting Corbyn is offering something he can't deliver, are demonstrably wrong; if there's a GE, which is the Labour position, all options really do remain on the table.