So what you're saying is that you're willing to dismiss any type of scientific study, no matter what the source, because you think you're right anyway?

I live somewhere with very few immigrants BTW and I can't get a GP appointment, the reason being that the service is massively underfunded and that people live longer than they used to and thus require more medical care in later life. In fact if there were less immigrants I would struggle even more because pretty much all the GPs are immigrants. The idea that we need to "create more infrastructure" to allow immigrants to then come and live here is a myth, the children of immigrants are just as likely to provide public services as the children of non-immigrants.

I don't think too many EU immigrants are engaging in FGM, honour killings or cousin marriage BTW.

Spot on. The entire EU has become a bafflingly undemocratic and twisted version of the original ideal.

The economy is not one rigid corporation facing disaster. It consists of hundreds of thousands of businesses who will adapt in the event of a dip...as they do through bust & boom, market crashes, etc, etc. Short term pain for long term gain. The economy will recover. That does not concern me.

I made my mind up not by listening to any of our politicians, but by listening to those unelected members of the EU Commission. The staggering arrogance and the disdainful manner in which they referred to the UK spoke volumes. Their oft-repeated mantra of [i'no reform...ever'[/i merely cemented my decision. We will never 'reform the EU from within', regardless of Remain claims.

In addition to Wire Yed's comments I would add that an open border policy is just plain bonkers, which ever way you look at it. If you don't think our infrastructure is being strangled by the rapid growth in population caused by immigration, frankly you're an idiot. It's not racism or xenophobia, it's a numbers game: too many, too quickly. We don't have the schools, hospitals etc to cope with such rapid influx - and how can we plan and build more when we don't know how many are coming? Bonkers.

Immigration brings benefits. Open immigration is just stupid. Yes they pay in - so what? I'm more concerned about why my child can't get a place in a school with large numbers of Eastern European kids.

If we stay we're stuck with it. A million more people coming to these shores every few years. Who, in their right mind, thinks for a moment the UK can cope with that?

And when more and more countries join the EU? Ha! Deary me.

I was optimistic of the Out vote winning only a week ago but now suspect too many people will show too little courage and/or have been taken in by the scare stories. Plus, the awful events in Barnsley have done more for the Remain campaign than Cameron or Corbyn ever could.

Not often me and Cronus agree on anything , but that and Wireyeds summary are pretty much on the nail , I too believe that recent events and fear will win the day unfortunately

You don't think 333,000 immigrants a year is placing a squeeze on public services? A million every 3 years?

My own personal experience and speaking to friends and family in the NHS (nurses, a theatre manager, a couple of midwives), education (several teachers and a school secretary) and other public services, as well as friends struggling to get their kids in schools with large numbers of immigrant kids told me all I needed to know. Too many, too quickly. It needs to slow. Not stop...just slow.

We're a small but already densely populated country with an infrastructure designed to expand alongside normal population growth rates. This massive influx has squeezed the hell out of it and it's not like we can catch up - this things take many, many years to plan and build. And we don't know how many will come from one year to the next, so how can we plan?

Give your blinkered head a wobble.

Well done to St.Helens and Wigan for voting leave 49.7/50.3 L/R a of 02:49hrs but signs that it's a vote for leaving the EU, a top Labour bod contacted the BBC to say Remain would lose. Whether that's because they wanted to sway the odds or not who knows!
Scousers voting to stay in...fackin scabs, London predictably remain, Scots can go do one as well!

What's interesting looking at the results is the geographic divides. Scotland clearly wants to remain, England although a net leaver ATM is very patchy. Another way to look at it is that a leave vote will at least make life interesting for a couple of years, as a negotiation would then have to ensue with the EU on terms. I'd tend to think that even a leave vote won't necessarily mean leaving - it would give Cameron (or whoever) much more leverage in negotiations with the EU. Sadly all they'd probably need to swing the vote would be for the UK to retain the right to control immigration.

It seems we/they are in the majority , so when are you leaving , I assume you wouldn't want to live in a country like that ?

The lunatics have well and truly taken over the asylum!!!

Whingers move to one side, adapt or resign.
Right or wrong the decision is made.

We need leaders to drive this country forward now ... not whingers killing confidence.

Slagging off the electorate is sour grapes.

Civil war anyone?

Sign me up while the goings good.
They'll come for us, they always do.
National stadiums herded full and helicopter sorties out into the North Sea.

'There's Nazis in the bathroom just below the stairs.'

What I'm specifically saying is that I don't put great weight in cost benefit studies that don't make a rigorous attempt to capture all the costs, because I know that such studies are inherently flawed (cost benefit analysis was a compulsory topic when I studied undergraduate economics, but I think it's fairly intuitive that if you don't include all costs and benefits then it's going to be flawed). So whenever I see one of these studies my first instinct is to look for any externalities, think of it like checking to see if there's an engine under the bonnet before you buy a car, and I know that these types of cost benefit studies tend to suffer the same problems and I'm not alone in knowing this. My broader point was that "studies" produced by special interest groups are primarily intended to produce PR fodder supporting the agenda of said special interests rather than being serious policy tools and that always needs to be factored in (which goes back to my specific point about checking how rigorous the construction of the study is).

It will be interesting to see how the EU reacts now. On the one hand the EU leadership has been resisting meaningful reform for years and will be royally p1$$ed off at what is probably the first heavy defeat to resisting reform. So they might be tempted to be punitive to frighten citizens of other members. On the other hand this strengthens all the other movements for reform across the EU to the point that reform now has to be addressed and punitive action against the UK would just do more damage. The first thing the EU needs to do is get rid of Jean-Claude Juncker, his threats about no more reform deals turned out to be more of a liability than a strength.

The only people congratulating the UK this morning are far right parties.

People should feel a little uncomfortable about that.

When Cameron went to get a better deal for the UK and considering we are the 2nd biggest contributor and they all dug their heals in and basically said 'pi$$ off' have now lost literally billions, due to being stubborn and obstinate and completely and arrogantly refusing to reform and listen to the masses.