Oh, GROW UP!! ffs. It is both pathetic, and insulting. I'm posting what I what, when I want. I'm not in anybody's fscking gang. Respond to the POINTS I make, or don't, I couldn't care less, but cut the crap.


Nope. that is you saying something COMPLETELY different. That is you now trying to divert the topic, because you are unwilling or unable to deal with the clear argument I posted.

I will answer your new points, but that does not mean your tactic has worked. I await your reply to what I said. If you have a reply.


Are you actually claiming that such 'grooming' in Keighley is due to a "racial difference"? Why then do the vast majority of "Pakistani boys" not engage in 'grooming'? Or maybe you have evidence that they do?


How come you are not getting this? Or do you actually believe that if I am "non white British" there is some "racial difference" which stops me from insuring cars? Is THAT what you think? Really?


As is fairly well known I am of the view that all religion is bollox, and has been and remains a perennial excuse for many of mankind's worst excesses. Having said which I have no clue what you mean by "Islam cannot be discussed". Where does it say that? Who has deprived me of the benefit of reading what would no doubt be your profound and insightful views on Islam? Tell me, and I shall berate them.

Now, having disposed of your attempt to divert the thread, explain to me the basis on which you claimed that "non white British people are less than totally honest". And if you get several replies, then as well as your default and paranoid conspiracy / gang delusions, maybe you should at least consider the remote possibility that it [icould[/i just be because several people disagree with you. Left field, I know, but you can't rule it out.

In the wake of the mad cow fiasco, when British beef had been deemed safe the French ignored directives to accept British beef even under pressure they basically said F U. They ignored the European Court of forced expulsion of Roma gypsies they also refuse to integrate EU laws into their own, they dig their heels in all the time as do other countries, and we seem to just accept every directive thrown at us as though we are trying to appease them.

France have been the most obstinate country since the start of the EU project YET we are the ones who are banded about as the country that is the biggest hindrance to the EU project, France never bows down to EU pressure when they feel their own interests are at stake, as soon as we finally stand up for ourselves, the whole lot come down on us. France has always made its wishes known and blocked initiatives that don’t serve its interests.

You really, really need to stop reading the tabloids and do some research of your own.

Good post.

Probably get you banned though. Shame.

How typically presumptuous
I have very rarely read tabloids since 97 when i left home when my folks always bought The Express, the occasions i do leave me shaking my head at what they deem news, i now only tend to read The Standard on the occasions i travel on the tube, i'm not one for buying papers.

That was my own research, granted from about 2005, but you don't think the French ride roughshod over EU directives and put their own self interests first?

Do you like anyone from Leeds?

Carry on ... I'm quite happy to have one, two or three, or more, take a Christmas break.

Or you could stick to the topic of the thread.

Your choices...

I think it has to be 'what now for all western countries', frankly.

The UK has such a tax already, and bizarrely we still have the strongest financial sectorin Europe. We call it "Stamp Duty"..

But of course those nasty Johnny Foriegners are just trying to destroy the City.

It is an ideal vehicle for economic stimulus and for high (if short term) employment of skilled and unskilled labour.

The problem is that the vehicle either contradicts the clampdown on excesses or flies in the face of the current incumbents political beliefs - you can't announce yesterday that mortgages will be harder to come by in future with much more stringent income checks and at the same time hope to sell thousands of new houses, and you can't instead expect this government to finance the building of social housing, not without also expecting hell to freeze over.

I have said that the chancellor is economically illiterate.

And I'd add that social housing can include affordable housing to buy too.

*shrugs* When I see tabloid cliches repeated I must admit I tend to assume that the source was information from the tabloids. Were you aware that their exists a web site whose sole purpose is to debunk all the urban myths and downright lies told about the EU by the UK press over the years?


I think that all countries within the EU fight their own corner as best they can, and understandably so. It's meant to be a democratic organisation after all. And I've been critical of both the tendency to ignore certain rules and the current undemocratic direction of the EU. My problem was more with the nonsense about the UK spending it's whole time kissing up to Europe and blindly adopting every single directive put forward. That simply isn't the case, and even modest research at any point over the last 30 years or so would demonstrate that fact.

A smack in the chops sounds like a worthwhile opening gambit.

To be honest, I don't think I'd know where to start with that one!

Maybe using a hand to insouciantly sketch something passing over their head, accompanied by a loud 'whooshing' noise?