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| Quote: Sal Paradise "I agree with you the Government have not done well here and it will hurt them in the future - what they have got to do now is get everything right from now - release from lockdown and getting the economy up and running are key.'"
I'd have more respect for them if they were open, honest, and actually managing the situation. Instead, they're managing the message. Even today, we get another dead cat in Neil Ferguson's stepping down. The right wing papers have all lead with this story, despite the fact it happened a month ago. It's almost like they've been saving it up for a bad news day. Is it just coincidence they break the story as the UK registers the highest death toll in Europe? What's more important? A woman calling in on Neil Ferguson for a bit of nookie, or the UK's death rate hitting the highest in Europe? It's a tough one! Don't ever say newspapers don't direct the narrative.
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"I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count"
[quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote]
Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!"
I thanked him and went on my Merry way!
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| Quote: King Street Cat "I'd have more respect for them if they were open, honest, and actually managing the situation. Instead, they're managing the message. Even today, we get another dead cat in Neil Ferguson's stepping down. The right wing papers have all lead with this story, despite the fact it happened a month ago. It's almost like they've been saving it up for a bad news day. Is it just coincidence they break the story as the UK registers the highest death toll in Europe? What's more important? A woman calling in on Neil Ferguson for a bit of nookie, or the UK's death rate hitting the highest in Europe? It's a tough one! Don't ever say newspapers don't direct the narrative.'"
Correct - And the admission from Patrick Valance that the government were too slow on testing etc. is demoted to a 1inch piece!!!!
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "I agree with you the Government have not done well here and it will hurt them in the future - what they have got to do now is get everything right from now - release from lockdown and getting the economy up and running are key.'"
Releasing the lockdown may put us right back to square one.
They need to get urgent help into care homes, in terms of testing and adequate PPE and stop telling fecking lies.
Hancock and his "no reliable test" is an absolute bloody disgrace.
Remember at the start, when we were told that "keeping deaths below 20,000 would be a good outcome" ?
What happens when they pass 50,000, which they may already have ??
If you look at how many people normally die at this time of year and compare 2020 with the past 5 years, there is one hell of a gap between the "usual" figure and this year, even when you take account of the numbers that the government are admitting to.
Now, either it's a very unfortunate year or, we aren't being told the truth and with Boris and Cummings "running" the show and the probability is that, the numbers losing their lives to covid 19 are being massively underestimated and in the absence of any meaningful tests, it will all be open to conjecture, which probably suits the government.
Of course, I'm just a "leftie" having a rant so feel free to dismiss my comments (as usual) but, you know that I'm right.
I remember certain posters ridiculing my comments when I suggested that the UK's death toll would surpass Italy, France and Spain but, guess what, we've proved that we are no 1 in Europe after all.
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| Quote: King Street Cat "I'd have more respect for them if they were open, honest, and actually managing the situation. Instead, they're managing the message. Even today, we get another dead cat in Neil Ferguson's stepping down. The right wing papers have all lead with this story, despite the fact it happened a month ago. It's almost like they've been saving it up for a bad news day. Is it just coincidence they break the story as the UK registers the highest death toll in Europe? What's more important? A woman calling in on Neil Ferguson for a bit of nookie, or the UK's death rate hitting the highest in Europe? It's a tough one! Don't ever say newspapers don't direct the narrative.'"
Their circulation is so low compared to TV and social there influence is no where near what it once was. If the radio and TV didn't lead with it then it would be a non-story
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| Quote: wrencat1873 "Releasing the lockdown may put us right back to square one.
They need to get urgent help into care homes, in terms of testing and adequate PPE and stop telling fecking lies.
Hancock and his "no reliable test" is an absolute bloody disgrace.
Remember at the start, when we were told that "keeping deaths below 20,000 would be a good outcome" ?
What happens when they pass 50,000, which they may already have ??
If you look at how many people normally die at this time of year and compare 2020 with the past 5 years, there is one hell of a gap between the "usual" figure and this year, even when you take account of the numbers that the government are admitting to.
Now, either it's a very unfortunate year or, we aren't being told the truth and with Boris and Cummings "running" the show and the probability is that, the numbers losing their lives to covid 19 are being massively underestimated and in the absence of any meaningful tests, it will all be open to conjecture, which probably suits the government.
Of course, I'm just a "leftie" having a rant so feel free to dismiss my comments (as usual) but, you know that I'm right.
I remember certain posters ridiculing my comments when I suggested that the UK's death toll would surpass Italy, France and Spain but, guess what, we've proved that we are no 1 in Europe after all.'"
I agree with a lot of what you are saying but we cannot stay in lockdown forever - millions will lose their jobs over this and the despair that will cause could dwarf even the 50k deaths. There has to be a trade-off and we have to accept when we loosen lockdown there is a chance of greater infections.
This is a very densely populated country and the lockdown has become less effective every week - the population will decide when lockdown ends, the best thing the government can do is set out a schedule that finishes at the end of May otherwise the general public wont support it. Not a chance you can enforce social distancing at nursery, primary and junior schools so you either accept that or kids don't get educated which is unacceptable.
If we accept the difference between normal death rate and new death rate as being Covid related how far is that off the figures being quoted. If you accept there are people not being recorded because of no tests then you have to accept people being recorded as having Covid that haven't - or do you think its only one way?
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "
If we accept the difference between normal death rate and new death rate as being Covid related how far is that off the figures being quoted. If you accept there are people not being recorded because of no tests then you have to accept people being recorded as having Covid that haven't - or do you think its only one way?'"
How many do you think are being recorded as Covid that havent had the virus ?? I'll go for very, very few.
As for the other way around, you do the math and if the vast majority of additional deaths are not covid related, then what do you think is killing everyone this year.
As for lockdown, it really is simple.
If it was worth having the lockdown initially then surely "we" have to see it through or, what was the point.
Personally, I believe that we should recognise the most vulnerable groups and protect them as much as possible -as we have done since lockdown began and for those less at risk, yes, get them back to work. Although there are major issues with all forms of public transport, which personally, I would avoid at all costs - easy if you live up north but, for those in London and some other major cities, this will be much harder.
Also, for those that can work from home, it should continue for some little while and will very likely be something that many people will both get used to and have to get used to.
Obviously regular and frequent reviews on how this changes anything.
Social distancing to continue
As for sport, I dont know what happens - the only option for the foreseeable future is behind closed doors and stream the events but, whether this is commercially workable, I really dont know.
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| Bojo announced 200000 tests daily available at the end of May
Test track trace app being tested in IOW
No major PPE issues being raised
Nightingdale hospitals being mothballed
Figures reducing; both deaths and new cases
Bojo and his team doing a great job as we move to the phased unlock
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| Thanks for the update Laura.
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| Got to be a WUM.
Nobody is that thick.
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| Quote: Strinket "Got to be a WUM.
Nobody is that thick.'"
I believe they call it triggering nowadays.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "I believe they call it triggering nowadays.'"
Over to Peckham it is then ...
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| It says something about our actions that the failures are being pointed out in many other countries including the USA of all places.
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icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg Fans Forum 28.08.08 Fan from Haydock
"I've got one word for you Mr Chairman - Penalty Count"
[quote="The Daddy"]I've got one word for you all......Steve Hanley[/quote]
Some Salford fan said to me and I quote "You are by far and away the most Handsome & Knowledgeable Rugby League Fan in England!"
I thanked him and went on my Merry way!
RIVERCAVE DWELLER OF THE YEAR 2015!
"The club used you last night and didn't tell the truth."
Officially one of the 119 Mugs used by the club:icons077e_files/5454-3678dentheman-msnicons.jpg |
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| Quote: wire-quin "Bojo announced 200000 tests daily available at the end of May
Test track trace app being tested in IOW
No major PPE issues being raised
Nightingdale hospitals being mothballed
Figures reducing; both deaths and new cases
Bojo and his team doing a great job as we move to the phased unlock'"
Too late
Too late
Too late
I wouldn't celebrate too quickly
Too late and not quick enough
Highest number of deaths in europe
650 deaths a day still and your celebrating !!!!
Astonishing
Ask Bojo now about his speech in February
Where he said the UK would grasp this opportunity, take off its Clark Kent spectacles and emerge out of the phone Booth like Superman whilst everyone else was running away, we would meet this head on and take the opportunities it presented.
The government financially seem to have done a lot of good, that doesnt excuse a lot of the mistakes they have made.
The "Trump light" approach to their briefings/attitude and insistence of staying on message no matter what is awful and right out of the Bannon/Trump playbook.
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| Quote: wire-quin "
Bojo and his team doing a great job as we move to the phased unlock'"
You sir, have a sick sense of humour.
The country with the most time to prepare for the pandemic, has the highest death toll in Europe.
You are VERY easily pleased - Boris & co have made a right cock of this so far and the UK is starting to race away with the title of worst response to the covid19 pandemic.
I'm just surprised that you believe anything that this government tells us.
100,000 daily tests has been hit twice and only by counting tests that were "in the post" and not with tests that have actually been done
As I said, VERY easily pleased
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "Their circulation is so low compared to TV and social there influence is no where near what it once was. If the radio and TV didn't lead with it then it would be a non-story'"
Have you seen how quick he's become the fall guy?
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