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Quote: Dally "Or, one hopes, anything else.'"

Is that another of your "moral" taboos ?

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Quote: El Barbudo "Is that another of your "moral" taboos ?'"


It's not something I'd condone.

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Quote: Dally "It's not something I'd condone.'"



Is it too obvious to suggest that you seem to do rather a lot of it.

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Quote: Dally "It's not something I'd condone.'"

I'm sure that, knowing that, he'll think twice before knocking one out in future.

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Quote: Mintball "Is it too obvious to suggest that you seem to do rather a lot of it.'"


I wish his dad had

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Quote: Dally "It's not something I'd condone.'"

I know I'm going to regret this ... but what's your reasoning?

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I don't understand the arguing on here? No one on here actually gives 2 sh*ts about other people's opinion. For what it's worth (back on topic) the terrorists who murdered the solider should be hung. So should everybody who commits horrible crimes like that (including murder, terrorism, rape) I know a few of you will be quick to get on the moral high horse and say well if you murder the terrorists aren't I contradicting myself? But they gave up their rights and their right to live when they deprived that of another person.

It should also be against the law to preach religion. It causes a lot of problems. I am a Catholic but I don't force that upon others and I know for a fact that if somebody of a different religion preached to me I would seriously have a problem with it. In all fairness if nobody preached religion to others it probably would reduce the tension between religions and make the world a more peaceful place.

The country should also be very strict on immigration, don't get me wrong I am not a racist, I do have many friends from different ethnicities and religious backgrounds but we should be strict like Australia. They have a very strict immigration procedure and we could start by reducing the benefits that immigrants get. Australia don't seem to have the problems we have due to their system so we should adapt and learn from them.

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Quote: Bulls Boy 2011 "I don't understand the arguing on here? No one on here actually gives 2 sh*ts about other people's opinion. For what it's worth (back on topic) the terrorists who murdered the solider should be hung. So should everybody who commits horrible crimes like that (including murder, terrorism, rape) I know a few of you will be quick to get on the moral high horse and say well if you murder the terrorists aren't I contradicting myself? But they gave up their rights and their right to live when they deprived that of another person.

It should also be against the law to preach religion. It causes a lot of problems. I am a Catholic but I don't force that upon others and I know for a fact that if somebody of a different religion preached to me I would seriously have a problem with it. In all fairness if nobody preached religion to others it probably would reduce the tension between religions and make the world a more peaceful place.

The country should also be very strict on immigration, don't get me wrong [sizeI am not a racist[/size, I do have many friends from different ethnicities and religious backgrounds [sizebut[/size we should be strict like Australia. They have a very strict immigration procedure and we could start by reducing the benefits that immigrants get. Australia don't seem to have the problems we have due to their system so we should adapt and learn from them.'"


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Oh dear.

Was all that written for you by Jon Gaunt or Richard Littlejohn?

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Quote: Bulls Boy 2011 "

It should also be against the law to preach religion. It causes a lot of problems. I am a Catholic but I don't force that upon others and I know for a fact that if somebody of a different religion preached to me I would seriously have a problem with it. '"



Thats interesting - why would you have a problem with someone expressing another religious viewpoint and would it work if the viewpoint was (for example) from a Methodist, or would it have to be from a religion that you do not consider to be christian, are all christians ok but other religions not ?

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Quote: Bulls Boy 2011 "I don't understand the arguing on here? No one on here actually gives 2 sh*ts about other people's opinion. For what it's worth (back on topic) the terrorists who murdered the solider should be hung. So should everybody who commits horrible crimes like that (including murder, terrorism, rape) I know a few of you will be quick to get on the moral high horse and say well if you murder the terrorists aren't I contradicting myself? But they gave up their rights and their right to live when they deprived that of another person.

It should also be against the law to preach religion. It causes a lot of problems. I am a Catholic but I don't force that upon others and I know for a fact that if somebody of a different religion preached to me I would seriously have a problem with it. In all fairness if nobody preached religion to others it probably would reduce the tension between religions and make the world a more peaceful place.

The country should also be very strict on immigration, don't get me wrong I am not a racist, I do have many friends from different ethnicities and religious backgrounds but we should be strict like Australia. They have a very strict immigration procedure and we could start by reducing the benefits that immigrants get. Australia don't seem to have the problems we have due to their system so we should adapt and learn from them.'"


Good post.

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Quote: Bulls Boy 2011 "... I am a Catholic ... '"


So, forgiveness, turn the other cheek, blessed are the meek, thou shalt not kill ... which branch of Catholicism ignores all those, eh?

Or is it just a meaningless label you apply to yourself out of habit?

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Just because I am a Catholic does not mean I have to believe every single aspect of the religion. If that offends you then quite frankly I don't care. Let's be honest you don't care what religion I am or how I decide to live my life. I went to church every Sunday and went to a Catholic school but due to personal circumstances (like my father dying) I lost faith for a long time and as a 10 year old you would.

I just don't understand how you all could simple forgive a person for beheading someone in broad daylight in front of women and children? If you forgive that then you are just insane.

Quote: "Thats interesting - why would you have a problem with someone expressing another religious viewpoint and would it work if the viewpoint was (for example) from a Methodist, or would it have to be from a religion that you do not consider to be christian, are all christians ok but other religions not ?'"


JerryChicken, No it wouldn't matter. If a muslim goes to a mosque then their religion should be preached inside the mosque, same with Christianity but it should not be preached outside your place of worship. It doesn't matter what religion you are, if you force your religious beliefs on others it will cause tension. I am an 18 year old and already in my lifetime I have seen many occasions where racism and violence has happened directly from somebody preaching a religion. I know the different between racism and being discriminative because of someones religion but unfortunately the vast majority don't. Oh and where have I said that Christianity is okay and other religions are not? Don't put words into my mouth. I am happy for other people to have different religions but the moment they preach those religious views to others is when trouble starts.

And cod'ead I see you have highlighted the fact that I said I am not racist then highlight but.........now I would like you to point out exactly where I have been racist? You will find that I have NOT discriminated anybody because of their race. I have mearly suggested that immigration should be stricter like Australia. I don't however see you saying that Australia is a racist country??

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JerryChicken, No it wouldn't matter. If a muslim goes to a mosque then their religion should be preached inside the mosque, same with Christianity but it should not be preached outside your place of worship. It doesn't matter what religion you are, if you force your religious beliefs on others it will cause tension. I am an 18 year old and already in my lifetime I have seen many occasions where racism and violence has happened directly from somebody preaching a religion. I know the different between racism and being discriminative because of someones religion but unfortunately the vast majority don't. Oh and where have I said that Christianity is okay and other religions are not? Don't put words into my mouth. I am happy for other people to have different religions but the moment they preach those religious views to others is when trouble starts.

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You seem a little sensitive to questioning, wasn't "putting words in your mouth" at all, simply asking a question.

You are a little naive though if you believe that any religion can be banned from broadcasting its beliefs to non-followers, if only for the fact that the government of this country (who would have to introduce such legislation) are themselves led by religious believers and regularly bow their heads to religion.

Further, its implicit in all religions to sell themselves, non more so than the religion that you follow yourself, part of the reason (some would suggest ALL of the reason) for the vehement opposition to birth control is down to it being the most efficient way of adding followers without having to do the hard sell to non-believers - ALL religions want to be in a position of control of the whole population of any given country and have done so for at least a thousand (or more) years, its how they work.

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I apologize if I sounded sensitive then but in this day and age people are quick to brand others as racists without actually reading what the person has put.

I may be naive but on that point I agree with you the leaders of the country are probably religious but I doubt they are as religious as you are making them out to be. They are powered by greed and fear, the fear of not wanting to be branded as racists. Unfortunately most people are like that these days because they fear backlash if they say something that people deem racist (even though the point may not be racist at all).

Again I agree with your second point too. That is how religion has survived over the years but unfortunately it's coming to a point now where it's causing trouble (I know trouble has been cause in the past over it) but we live in a more civilized and free country now. People should have the right not to have religion thrown at them from others. I know that if a Catholic started throwing religion down my neck I would get pretty annoyed (even though I am Catholic). There are even parts of Catholicism that I do not agree with and also parts of Islam that I don't agree with. I am a westernized human with the ability to dictate what I do, I am not brainwashed by religion as a lot of people are (especially these Islamic Terrorists).

No offence but you don't care about my own personal views as you don't know me and tbh I respect your views but I won't lose sleep if they are different to mine. Sorry if that sounded like me being arrogant, I was not trying to be. I was trying to be as blunt as possible as I am in a rush to get to my rugby match. If it offended you please drop me a PM and I will answer as soon as I get home. Thanks for listening and sorry again about the long post icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Bulls Boy 2011 "Just because I am a Catholic does not mean I have to believe every single aspect of the religion.'"

Actually that's more or less the definition of a Catholic.

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 Sun 23rd Mar 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R4
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 Thu 27th Mar 2025
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20:00
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 Fri 28th Mar 2025
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20:00
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Leeds
 Sat 29th Mar 2025
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17:30
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 Sun 30th Mar 2025
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 Thu 10th Apr 2025
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 Fri 11th Apr 2025
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Wigan
20:00
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 Sat 12th Apr 2025
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Hull FC
20:00
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Leigh
 Sun 13th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R6
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Catalans
 Thu 17th Apr 2025
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 Fri 18th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
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Hull KR
20:00
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St.Helens
20:00
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 Sat 19th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R7
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Leigh
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Warrington
20:00
Catalans
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Salford
 Thu 24th Apr 2025
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Warrington
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St.Helens
20:00
Leeds
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Hull KR
 Fri 25th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
20:00
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Leigh
 Sat 26th Apr 2025
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15:00
Huddersfield
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Castleford
17:30
Catalans
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Wakefield
 Sun 27th Apr 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R8
15:00
Hull FC
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Wigan
 Sat 3rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R9
15:00
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Catalans
17:15
Hull KR
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Salford
19:30
St.Helens
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Leeds
 Sun 4th May 2025
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13:00
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v
Hull FC
15:15
Wigan
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Warrington
17:30
Castleford
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Wakefield
 Thu 15th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
20:00
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v
Catalans
 Fri 16th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
20:00
Leeds
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Hull FC
20:00
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Leigh
 Sat 17th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
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v
Huddersfield
 Sun 18th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R10
15:00
Wakefield
v
Warrington
17:30
Castleford
v
Salford
 Thu 22nd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Leigh
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Hull FC
 Fri 23rd May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
20:00
Huddersfield
v
St.Helens
20:00
Warrington
v
Hull KR
 Sat 24th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
14:30
Castleford
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Leeds
17:30
Catalans
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Wigan
 Sun 25th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R11
15:00
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Salford
 Thu 29th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
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Leigh
 Fri 30th May 2025
     Mens Super League XXX-R12
20:00
Hull KR
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St.Helens
20:00
Salford
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Wigan
 Sat 31st May 2025
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14:30
Leeds
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Wakefield
17:30
Catalans
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Hull FC
 Sun 1st Jun 2025
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15:00
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Castleford
 Fri 13th Jun 2025
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Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
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20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
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Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
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SL
20:00
St.Helens-Hull KR
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17:30
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17:30
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SL
17:30
Wigan-Huddersfield
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20:00
Salford-Huddersfield
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This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
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Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
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