That's the way to do it - the occasional short and sweet family video, even a compilation of which won't last long enough to bore. And which will hold real fascination and memories in decades to come. Mainly cos it documents individuals, events and, to a lesser extent, places.

In contrast the utter rubbish concert footage will be literally unwatchable, and swamped by quality recordings of the artist, none of which would matter if the recordist hadn't unknowingly largely spoiled the concert for themselves in some futile belief that there was a point.

Having said that the mobile phone manufacturers have been pretty consistent over the past 20 years in being able to sell this years poor quality all-in-one must-have device to mugs over and over again, the two good things that mobile phones do is make phone calls and send text messages, even emailing on them is a second rate product to having a PC. Taking photographs, taking video is done far better on even a cheap camera and as for the "video editing" app that I was persuaded to download last week, well I just can't imagine why there is still a film making industry in Hollywood if everyone can make movies on their telephone like it promised.

And I haven't mentioned Apple once.

Just wait until the Apple watch hits our shores next year and people at gigs are desperately trying to film the gig in some sort of James Bond pose. Something for us all to look forward to.

always great to read people who can't afford Apple devices slagging off Apple devices.

You think people can't afford 200 quid?
They may choose to spend the money on something else but I'm willing to bet they can afford it if they really wanted to.

let me know where you get new Apple devices for £200, please, please

Quote: Standee "let me know where you get new Apple devices for £200, please, please'" You mean like watch that people were mentioning? www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 23264.html Or the IPad mini at £250? www.johnlewis.com/apple-ipad-min ... 8000030510 And that's without searching very hard.

Quote: Standee "let me know where you get new Apple devices for £200, please, please'" You mean like watch that people were mentioning? www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 23264.html Or the IPad mini at £250? www.johnlewis.com/apple-ipad-min ... 8000030510 And that's without searching very hard.

Who was slagging off Apple devices ?

Nobody. Standee is obviously a massive Apple fan boy and has been brainwashed by the incessant Apple marketing machine.

I thought he got a free iPhone from his lawyer for letting them do his whiplash claim. I'm sure he'll correct me if I'm wrong.

Oh yeah I'm sorry one is £216 the other is £250.

Yeah that extra £16 is the really difficult bit to justify.

For once just admit you F'd up and thought they were all a lot more expensive.

So, what makes you think the people you tried to take the mick out of can't afford £216?

You can get a 32gb iPod Touch for 199 quid. 199 quid is less than 200. It is still an Apple device. If you want to save even more money you can get a 16gb iPod Touch for 159.

and you can take Video with?

Yup. An iPod Touch is pretty much an iPhone without the phone.

Think iPod Nano has video capability as well and they cost even less.