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I have no sympathy for Remploy as a company whatsoever as they’ve treated me and others with utter contempt in the past. About a month ago I bumped into a bloke who worked 10 weeks each at Morrison’s and ASDA via Remploy for free. Now he did manage to get paid work at ASDA for a bit after his placement. However once he finished his contract at ASDA, Remploy just sent ASDA more free labour and the cycle probably continues like that to this day.

It’s gets even sicker though. Remploy then encouraged this same bloke to do ten weeks of free labour at Morrison’s. It’s as if they can’t get a reference from previous employers at ASDA to show the potential employers elsewhere what he’s done. He has to prove himself ten weeks at a time everywhere he goes before he gets work.

It’s not the cuts that are bothering me. It’s the lack of solution to replace the services that have been cut. Remploy needs reforming badly because it is not the proud company it once was. Ideally this country’s best social entrepreneurs will take up Iain Duncan Smiths offer to make the factory’s economically viable but I doubt they will for one reason. That reason is that this country’s best social entrepreneurs probably have a conscience unlike the poverty PIMP bosses at Remploy.

I have lots of sympathy for the disabled who are about to lose they jobs due to the incompetence of those who run things at Remploy. It said in rlthis articlerl that 95% of people who previously worked in Remploy factories that closed under Labour have not found work since. It’s a very sad situation and no one seems to be coming up with the solution.

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Quote: Damo-Leeds "I have no sympathy for Remploy as a company whatsoever as they’ve treated me and others with utter contempt in the past. About a month ago I bumped into a bloke who worked 10 weeks each at Morrison’s and ASDA via Remploy for free. Now he did manage to get paid work at ASDA for a bit after his placement. However once he finished his contract at ASDA, Remploy just sent ASDA more free labour and the cycle probably continues like that to this day.

It’s gets even sicker though. Remploy then encouraged this same bloke to do ten weeks of free labour at Morrison’s. It’s as if they can’t get a reference from previous employers at ASDA to show the potential employers elsewhere what he’s done. He has to prove himself ten weeks at a time everywhere he goes before he gets work.

It’s not the cuts that are bothering me. It’s the lack of solution to replace the services that have been cut. Remploy needs reforming badly because it is not the proud company it once was. Ideally this country’s best social entrepreneurs will take up Iain Duncan Smiths offer to make the factory’s economically viable but I doubt they will for one reason. That reason is that this country’s best social entrepreneurs probably have a conscience unlike the poverty PIMP bosses at Remploy.

I have lots of sympathy for the disabled who are about to lose they jobs due to the incompetence of those who run things at Remploy. It said in rlthis articlerl that 95% of people who previously worked in Remploy factories that closed under Labour have not found work since. It’s a very sad situation and no one seems to be coming up with the solution.'"


One proposed "solution" is to make prisoners work (as if they don't already), it's just that no one has come up with just where all this "work" will magically appear from.

On face value, it may seem that given the actual labour cost of a prisoner, they should be very competitive but they forget a couple of things. All of these prisoners need guarding and the government is cutting down on prison staff. But for those that can be available to undertake contract work, they will require escorting from their cells to the prison workshop, they will then have to be returned to their cells at lunchtime, then back to the workshop, then back to their cells in the afternoon. So on a given staff 8-hour shift: it would be 09.30 before they get to the workshop, be back in their cells for 16.00 with a couple of hours off for lunch. So they'd be working approximately 4.5-5 hours per day - the unit cost of anything they make will be through the roof, once all the overheads have been added.

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Quote: cod'ead "One proposed "solution" is to make prisoners work (as if they don't already), it's just that no one has come up with just where all this "work" will magically appear from.

On face value, it may seem that given the actual labour cost of a prisoner, they should be very competitive but they forget a couple of things. All of these prisoners need guarding and the government is cutting down on prison staff. But for those that can be available to undertake contract work, they will require escorting from their cells to the prison workshop, they will then have to be returned to their cells at lunchtime, then back to the workshop, then back to their cells in the afternoon. So on a given staff 8-hour shift

They're also in the process of privatising the probation service.The government has made it clear that it wants the service to be 'self-financing'. So how's it going to do that?

The only possible way will be to sell the labour of those on community sentences.

So community sentencing is no longer going to be really local things such as cleaning up gardens for a charity or painting the village hall (because they won't be able to afford that), but will have to be doing things that undercut other, paid jobs.

You really couldn't make it up.

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Tom Murton springs to mind when I read about anything to do with the latest ideas to privatise prisons. If only he was British and alive today..

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www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18054734

More propaganda and scaremongering from this vile man. Remember IDS, you or your family are just a breath away from being disabled yourselves.

They are reducing the DLA bill by 20%. I have already shown on here that DLA fraud is 0.5%, therefore 19.5% of genuine claimaints are going to have their DLA removed just because this disgusting government want to save money. And before the (few) right wing on here come on and tell me we can't carry on as we are, why isn't IDS going after the tax evaders or why can't we give just a little bit less to India next time?

Shame on you IDS

Shame on your Tories.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-18054734

More propaganda and scaremongering from this vile man. Remember IDS, you or your family are just a breath away from being disabled yourselves.

They are reducing the DLA bill by 20%. I have already shown on here that DLA fraud is 0.5%, therefore 19.5% of genuine claimaints are going to have their DLA removed just because this disgusting government want to save money. And before the (few) right wing on here come on and tell me we can't carry on as we are, why isn't IDS going after the tax evaders or why can't we give just a little bit less to India next time?

Shame on you IDS

Shame on your Tories.


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They have no shame. Utter scum.

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recently on twitter:

Drunk George Osborne ‏ @OsborneDrunk

"Iain Duncan Smith is going to cure half a million people with disability. Imagine that! Even Jesus only managed a couple."

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Quote: cod'ead "recently on twitter


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Its no coincidence that a lot of Atos assement centres are also known as Lourdes.

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Quote: Hull White Star "icon_lol.gif
There's more:

Drunk George Osborne ‏ @OsborneDrunk

"Unlike Jesus, Iain Duncan Smith doesn't need to touch the disabled to cure them. He just crosses their name off a list and they get better!"

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rlIDS claims debunkedrl

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Most of us disabled have been debunking this to the DM site and FB groups all day. As soon as I read this this morning I knew it was going to kick up a stink. If you read the article in the Telegraph, Daily Mail and Guardian its exactly the same, word for word, it's obvious its more propaganda coming out of IDS's press office.

There is nothing in the article that most of us disabled haven't known for quite a while so, like I have been pointing out all day, why today to realise it? Most of us have seen the draught for the new PIP, hell, most of us have been taking part in consultations with the DWP for weeks about it.

The tide is turning though, I've never read so many DM readers who are disillusioned with this governement, there are some "Mr Angry from Tunbridge Wells" but they are starting to become few and far between now.

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rlNow the lame really are leading the blindrl

Unfortunately it looks like they are leading them into penury

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Quote: cod'ead "rlNow the lame really are leading the blindrl

Unfortunately it looks like they are leading them into penury'"


The government are too thick to realise that this will cost the taxpayer (well, thats what DM readers like to bang on about) much, much more than they are trying to save, in more ways than one. For instance a blind person gets DLA for things such as getting taxis to and from work. The descriptors as they stand, if they have a cane or a dog won't qualify them for the full points needed to get a decent amount of DLA because they use a cane or have a dog. It will also cost them more to retest amputees and blind people every year.

Even DM/Telegraph et al readers are starting to shake their heads at this governments rather callous attitude to the disabled.

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Quote: Hull White Star " It will also cost them more to retest amputees and blind people every year.'"


Test them for what? To see if their limbs have grown back or their eyesight has been restored? (and if its ATOS doing the testing ....) icon_frustrated.gif

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Quote: tb "Test them for what? To see if their limbs have grown back or their eyesight has been restored? (and if its ATOS doing the testing ....)

Exactly - everyone including charities, disabled people, shadow ministers etc are trying to get that through to them but like always, they are just not listening. They have consulted the disabled people on PIP (We are now on phase two) but they have not listened to a word we are saying.

No wonder they call ATOS assesment centres Lourdes icon_wink.gif

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