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| Quote: JerryChicken "Would they have to be arrested though ?...'"
Well, if they agree to accompany a non-policeman to the tank, then no they wouldn't.
But, if they took exception at being invited into a vehicle by some jobsworth-heavy and were bundled-in anyway, I'd call that kidnapping.
Constitutional slippery-slope, that.
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| Quote: El Barbudo "Well, if they agree to accompany a non-policeman to the tank, then no they wouldn't.
But, if they took exception at being invited into a vehicle by some jobsworth-heavy and were bundled-in anyway, I'd call that kidnapping.
Constitutional slippery-slope, that.'"
Nah,
If there is money in it somewhere then there will be a qualification invented for "duty of care providers for drunk people" or similar, a fancy badge and a hi-viz vest and bobs your uncle.
If I'd told you twenty years ago that a pub could have a badged heavy on the door who would be allowed to prevent, by force if necessary, your entry to the premises then you'd have laughed.
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| Quote: JerryChicken "Nah,
If I'd told you twenty years ago that a pub could have a badged heavy on the door who would be allowed to prevent, by force if necessary, your entry to the premises then you'd have laughed.'"
Pubs had such people on the doors alot more than 20 years ago - albeit without a badge. So, I'm not sure of your point.
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| Quote: Dally "Pubs had such people on the doors alot more than 20 years ago - albeit without a badge. So, I'm not sure of your point.'"
Well you must have lived in a dodgy area, pubs oop north didn't (clubs did, not pubs).
Along with not drinking in pubs with flat roofs, they have to pass the "doorman or not" test for me, a pub that needs a knucklehead on the door to arbitrate on its clients is not for me thank you.
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| Quote: JerryChicken " ... Along with not drinking in pubs with flat roofs, they have to pass the "doorman or not" test for me, a pub that needs a knucklehead on the door to arbitrate on its clients is not for me thank you.'"
The two main tests of the many with which I heartily concur and employ myself.
But bouncers stopping you from going in is a bit different from kidnapping you, taking you somewhere else and locking you up until the ransom is paid.
I'm not saying that some fudged-up rule wouldn't be introduced to try to allow it but, to me, it would be another inch down that route of erosion of constitutional rights.
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| I think the problem is cultural.
Been living in Germany for 2 years now. Out on the town most weekends. Yet to see a fight or any sort of real trouble.
Was at an Oktoberfest event on Saturday. Over 1,000 people in the venue, beer free flowing and no problems whatsoever, not even the slightest whiff of aggro or possible violence. Everyone having a great time. Friendly atmosphere.
The average British city / town is a complete disaster zone after about 9pm on Fridays and Saturdays. Fighting, people throwing up, people incapable through alcohol, anti-social behaviour well into the early hours etc...
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| Quote: The Video Ref "
The average British city / town is a complete disaster zone after about 9pm on Fridays and Saturdays. Fighting, people throwing up, people incapable through alcohol, anti-social behaviour well into the early hours etc...'"
I go out to various towns in the North West near enough every weeked and I think the way you have described it is way over the top.
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| Quote: JerryChicken "Well you must have lived in a dodgy area, pubs oop north didn't (clubs did, not pubs).
Along with not drinking in pubs with flat roofs, they have to pass the "doorman or not" test for me, a pub that needs a knucklehead on the door to arbitrate on its clients is not for me thank you.'"
The sort of pubs I'm talking about were those that the bouncers didn't let you enter if you wore trainers. They let some serious headcases in though if they wore ordinary shoes!
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| Quote: wigan_rlfc "I go out to various towns in the North West near enough every weeked and I think the way you have described it is way over the top.'"
I'd say you had a serious case of beer goggles mate.
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| Quote: JerryChicken "Well you must have lived in a dodgy area, pubs oop north didn't (clubs did, not pubs).
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Yes they did. Unless you don't class Liverpool, Manchester, Sheffield as "oop north." Can't recall boucers in Leeds because it was such a s**t-hole in those days it just wasn't worth going to!
Most pubs with bouncers then (and I guess now) were either crowded with young people, dog rough or frightened of the Saturday night (in those days) football crowd - or any cobination thereof.
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| Quote: Dally "Yes they did. Unless you don't class Liverpool, Manchester, Sheffield as "oop north." Can't recall boucers in Leeds because it was such a s**t-hole in those days it just wasn't worth going to!
Most pubs with bouncers then (and I guess now) were either crowded with young people, dog rough or frightened of the Saturday night (in those days) football crowd - or any cobination thereof.'"
Believe me Dally, and I spent the 70s and 80s in some of the roughest of rough pubs in Newcastle and Whitley Bay - bouncers on pub doorways were unheard of, some of the clientele of The Haymarket would have given any bouncer a good knuckle sandwich if he suggested they couldn't pass with trainers on.
And the strange thing these days is - the pubs without bouncers are generally the ones where there is never any trouble.
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| I have been fairly familiar (cough) with Leeds pubs for a number of decades and I can't recall one with a bouncer on the door until, at the earliest, the very late 80's or maybe even 1990's.
I also worked in Newcastle in the mid 80's and I don't recall bouncers on pub doors then either.
(Not even in the genteel surroundings of Gateshead and Felling, as Mr Chicken will, I'm sure, agree )
Clubs, on the other hand, ah well ... different story.
On Manchester, I cannot comment with accuracy, as I didn't get a passport until my mid-thirties.
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| Quote: El Barbudo "
(Not even in the genteel surroundings of Gateshead and Felling, as Mr Chicken will, I'm sure, agree )
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Ah Felling and my days inside the Felling Cosa Nostra, the days when anything could be "got" for you and available for delivery in the tap room of The Vic the following evening.
Those were the days
And the idea that The Vic should need a bouncer for its clientele is hilarious, you could get your dental arrangements re-arranged in there just "because" and were expected to say thank you afterwards - good job I was a personal friend of the Gibsons or I may not have kept my boyish good looks all these years...
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| Quote: Big Graeme "I'd say you had a serious case of beer goggles mate.'"
Really? How often do you see such disaster zones, on a weekly basis?
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| Quote: wigan_rlfc "Really? How often do you see such disaster zones, on a weekly basis?'"
Yup from both sides of the counter too.
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