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Quote: Lord God Jose Mourinho "I haven't looked into the details of the Smith case but from the reading I've done in the past the allegations I've heard about have all been about him spanking boys. I think he was working as a teacher or in some other job at a school.

While we're hyper-sensitive right now about all this. The fact is that hundreds of kids will have been spanked in schools. Many of them will have just been because the kid had been naughty. The problem though is that obviously some teachers/school workers might have also been spanking because it was something they wanted to do for their own gratification, and not just to instill discipline.

Have there been allegations of more serious child abuse aimed at Smith or is that it? If that's it, then IMO the cops at the time might have just been of the mind to kill all investigation rather than let him be brought down over something they considered bogus. If there are more serious allegations this obviously changes things, but I haven't seen anything. But I haven't been looking either.

The MP who is making a huge deal about Smith. I think he's from Rochdale, got a Slavic(?) name. While his campaigning might be completely honest and above board and he could genuinely be someone who is trying to right a wrong, there's also the possibility that he's simply using this to make a name for himself in politics. That suspicion is also arisen in me in that guy who had the famous disappearing dossier. The new campaigning MP always strikes me as being just that little bit odd and his Mrs is even more so. I know she recently came out with her own abuse tale and she's been to the police about it because her mother says she's lying. But the weird thing about her complaint is that the dates that she alleges the abuse are when she was aged 6-11 and the boy was 11-16. While it was certainly *something* if it did happen, it's not a clear case of child abuse and I don't even know how the legal system could even handle it.'"


Smith was never employed as a teacher. He gained access to kids by being a councillor and later the Mayor of Rochdale, subsequently becoming a school governor and a patron of local organisations for young people. He took his role as a governor so seriously that he dished out corporal punishment in children's homes round Rochdale and got no enjoyment from it whatsoever. Honest!.

rlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyril_Smithrl

Not difficult to find out facts, is it?

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I am at a total loss as to how Alison Saunders came to the view that to further investigate the accusations against Greville Janner would not be "in the public interest". What about the interest of his alleged vicitms?

Supposedly too ill to face further police questioning, he was well enough to attend the HoL before these latest allegations surfaced

Justice 0 v 1 The Establishment

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Quote: cod'ead "I am at a total loss as to how Alison Saunders came to the view that to further investigate the accusations against Greville Janner would not be "in the public interest". What about the interest of his alleged vicitms?

Supposedly too ill to face further police questioning, he was well enough to attend the HoL before these latest allegations surfaced

Justice 0 v 1 The Establishment'"


While I am prepared to accept that in the end he will be too ill to stand trial (dementia is a cruel illness) isn't usually the job of a judge to decide if someone is fit to stand trial?

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The older I get, the better I was Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator." cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg



Quote: Big Graeme "While I am prepared to accept that in the end he will be too ill to stand trial (dementia is a cruel illness) isn't usually the job of a judge to decide if someone is fit to stand trial?'"


He was fit enough to vote in HoL on 26 November 2013.

His dementia must've been a particularly rapid-onset variant

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If I read it correctly it's not that, it's that CPS seem to have decided that he isn't compos mentis enough to be interviewed. Not that they interview people, but hey. I fully accept that despite this, he may well be up to the standard for the HOL, where the requirement is seemingly to have a pulse. I'm not sure if it's mandatory.

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The older I get, the better I was Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator." cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg



Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "If I read it correctly it's not that, it's that CPS seem to have decided that he isn't compos mentis enough to be interviewed. Not that they interview people, but hey. I fully accept that despite this, he may well be up to the standard for the HOL, where the requirement is seemingly to have a pulse. I'm not sure if it's mandatory.'"


Remember Ernest Saunders?

Released early from his prison sentence because he was suffering from Altzheimers. A few months later he made a full recovery (must be the only one).

I always thought it was up to the judiciary to decide whether anyone was fit to stand trial, not the DPP. Mind you, Alison Saunders does appear to have previous in such matters, take a look at her "forgetting" to hand over important documents to the defence in the rlBarry George trial for Jill Dando's murderrl

I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories but there have been numerous rumours that Dando was also investigating child abuse by VIPs and that investigation led to her being silenced with extreme prejudice

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Quote: cod'ead "He was fit enough to vote in HoL on 26 November 2013.

His dementia must've been a particularly rapid-onset variant'"



Mmm, having seen someone go downhill with this 18 ish months isn't that much of a rapid-onset, depends how bad he was when in HoL, I actually thought it was a requirement. Mind the Guinness case was the first thing that came to my mind too.

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Quote: cod'ead "Remember Ernest Saunders?

Released early from his prison sentence because he was suffering from Altzheimers. A few months later he made a full recovery (must be the only one).

I always thought it was up to the judiciary to decide whether anyone was fit to stand trial, not the DPP. Mind you, Alison Saunders does appear to have previous in such matters, take a look at her "forgetting" to hand over important documents to the defence in the rlBarry George trial for Jill Dando's murderrl

I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories but there have been numerous rumours that Dando was also investigating child abuse by VIPs and that investigation led to her being silenced with extreme prejudice'"


Frank Beck, who was convicted in the case where he named Jenner was not a lucky guy. A couple of years after sentence he conveniently dropped dead after game of badminton. The fact that his appeal against conviction was coming up is, I am sure, totally unrelated.

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Quote: Big Graeme "Mmm, having seen someone go downhill with this 18 ish months isn't that much of a rapid-onset, depends how bad he was when in HoL, I actually thought it was a requirement. Mind the Guinness case was the first thing that came to my mind too.'"


According to the Sunday Times, just two weeks ago Janner signed a request to extend his membership of the HoL despite his leave of absence

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The older I get, the better I was Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator." cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg



The Times has also discovered that the barrister advising Alsion Saunders worked, until recently at the same chambers as Janner's son

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Quote: cod'ead "According to the Sunday Times, just two weeks ago Janner signed a request to extend his membership of the HoL despite his leave of absence'"


Ah...

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The older I get, the better I was Advice is what we seek when we already know the answer - but wish we didn't I'd rather have a full bottle in front of me than a full-frontal lobotomy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ kirkstaller wrote: "All DNA shows is that we have a common creator." cod'ead wrote: "I have just snotted weissbier all over my keyboard & screen" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin." - Aneurin Bevan:2051.jpg



At least Keith Harris died before he could face charges of sticking his hand up a young bird

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Quote: cod'ead "At least Keith Harris died before he could face charges of sticking his hand up a young bird'"

What an orville thing to say eusa_naughty.gif

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 Thu 11th Jul
     National Rugby League 2024-R19
10:50
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v
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 Fri 12th Jul
     National Rugby League 2024-R19
11:00
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v
Wests
     Womens Super League 2024-R8
17:30
WiganW
v
St.HelensW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R17
20:00
LondonB
v
Castleford
20:00
Warrington
v
Leeds
20:00
Warrington
v
St.Helens
 Sat 13th Jul
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R17
Leigh
v
Huddersfield
     National Rugby League 2024-R19
08:30
Gold Coast
v
Parramatta
10:35
Brisbane
v
St.George
     Womens Super League 2024-R8
12:00
York V
v
FeatherstoneW
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R17
15:00
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v
Hull KR
       Championship 2024-R15
15:00
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v
Toulouse
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R17
17:30
Catalans
v
Salford
 Sun 14th Jul
     Womens Super League 2024-R8
12:00
Wire W
v
LeedsW
       League One 2024-R15
14:00
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v
Hunslet
     Womens Super League 2024-R8
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v
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15:00
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15:00
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v
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15:00
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v
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15:00
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v
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15:00
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v
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v
Doncaster
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15:00
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v
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15:00
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v
Rochdale
     National Rugby League 2024-R19
17:05
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v
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 Wed 17th Jul
     State of Origin 2023-R3
11:05
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v
New South Wales
 Sat 17th Aug 2024
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R22
13:00
Hull FC
v
LondonB
15:30
Wigan
v
St.Helens
18:00
Warrington
v
Leeds
 Sun 18th Aug 2024
     Mens Super League XXVIII-R22
13:00
Leigh
v
Salford
15:30
Catalans
v
Hull KR
18:00
Huddersfield
v
Castleford
 Sun 27th Oct 2024
     Mens Internationals 2024-R2
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
 Sat 2nd Nov 2024
     Mens Internationals 2024-R3
14:30
England M
v
Samoa M
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Matches on TV
Sat 6th Jul
SL
17:30
Hull KR-Catalans
SL
15:00
Leeds16-16LondonB
Sun 7th Jul
SL
15:00
Salford-Hull FC
Fri 12th Jul
SL
20:00
LondonB-Castleford
SL
20:00
Warrington-Leeds
SL
20:00
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Hull FC-Hull KR
SL
00:00
Leigh-Huddersfield
SL
17:30
Catalans-Salford
Wed 17th Jul
SOO
11:05
Queensland-New South Wales
Sat 17th Aug
SL
18:00
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SL
15:30
Wigan-St.Helens
SL
13:00
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
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13:00
Leigh-Salford
SL
15:30
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
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Huddersfield-Castleford
Sun 27th Oct
MINT2024
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England M-Samoa M
Sat 2nd Nov
MINT2024
14:30
England M-Samoa M
Sat 6th Jul
NRL
LIVE
Canterbury13-12NZ Warriors
NRL
LIVE
Wests28-40Melbourne
NRL
LIVE
NQL Cowboys20-22Manly
SL
LIVE
Leeds16-16LondonB
WSL2024
LIVE
LeedsW6-16St.HelensW
WSL2024
LIVE
FeatherstoneW0-50WiganW
Fri 5th Jul
NRL 18 Cronulla16-20Gold Coast
NRL 18 Brisbane6-14Penrith
SL 16 St.Helens6-8Castleford
SL 16 Warrington48-0Huddersfield
SL 16 Wigan24-6Leigh
CH 14 Sheffield28-0Halifax
Thu 4th Jul
NRL 18 Parramatta16-32Souths
Sun 30th Jun
CH 13 Barrow0-36Wakefield
CH 13 Dewsbury12-38Bradford
CH 13 Halifax38-18Whitehaven
CH 13 Widnes16-24Batley
CH 13 York10-18Sheffield
L1 13 Cornwall10-16Crusaders
L1 13 Newcastle10-44Midlands
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 15 427 170 257 26
St.Helens 16 429 170 259 22
Warrington 16 406 213 193 22
Hull KR 15 383 201 182 22
Salford 15 295 288 7 20
Catalans 15 288 220 68 18
 
Leeds 16 284 286 -2 16
Huddersfield 16 298 365 -67 12
Leigh 15 270 250 20 11
Castleford 16 246 435 -189 9
Hull FC 15 198 474 -276 4
LondonB 16 156 608 -452 4
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 13 486 142 344 26
Sheffield 14 382 217 165 22
Bradford 13 341 218 123 18
Toulouse 12 332 174 158 16
Widnes 13 315 245 70 15
Featherstone 13 330 283 47 12
 
Batley 13 205 286 -81 12
Doncaster 13 237 325 -88 11
York 14 285 293 -8 10
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Barrow 12 203 339 -136 10
Swinton 13 260 332 -72 8
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