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| Quote: Mash Butty "So what do we all do for gloves and sanitizers when all of the working people in the world have to share toilets, taps, kettles, fridges doors, cupboard doors, microwave doors, door handles, light switches, stair rails, pubs/restaurant chairs, tables, doctors/dentists/hairdressers waiting rooms and treatment chairs, public transport chairs, handles, buzzers, exchange money to the above. That's gloves and sanitizers for x millions of people for five/six days a week for 12-18 months? Nobody wears one pair of gloves for 8-10 hours a day.'"
And here we have a prime example: someone who just doesn't have a clue.
Take this in: you do not need gloves, and you do not need sanitisers.
Gloves: are meant for medical/care settings, where (like some other PPE) they are discarded after each individual patient contact to prevent cross infection. If you wear them throughout the day at work or your visit to the supermarket, all you do is accumulate nasties on your gloves and spread them to everything else you touch. You are doing lots of damage and absolutely zero good to anyone, including yourself. Just wash your hands regularly in soap and don't touch your face.
Sanitisers: can kills viruses, but only if they are over 60% alcohol - ideally over 80%. Common soap is generally better at killing viruses. That's why the rush on sanitisers at the start of this was ridiculous, and why the 20 second hand-washing advice was issued - the advice you all mocked, yer know, cos y'all know better.
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| Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "You are a godsend to Johnson because if they said jump your first response would be how high. What do you know about PPE and social care are you involved in the supplying of one or the running of the other. If not I would suggest you restrict yourself to things you know about and that is gullibility.'"
Prove me wrong. Go on.
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| Quote: Cronus "And here we have a prime example: someone who just doesn't have a clue.
Take this in: you do not need gloves, and you do not need sanitisers.
That has made my day
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| Quote: Mash Butty ".
That has made my day'"
Like I said to the other moron - prove me wrong. Go on.
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| I presume you took the name from Greek mythology because you usually post from his Greek predecessor.
I bet you still believe that the government is going to build 40 new hospitals and employ 50,000 new nurses.
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| Quote: Scarlet Pimpernell "I presume you took the name from Greek mythology because you usually post from his Greek predecessor.
I bet you still believe that the government is going to build 40 new hospitals and employ 50,000 new nurses.'"
Tell me again why you think gloves and sanitiser are so important, while you ignore the facts I've placed before you.
I'm still waiting.
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| Quote: Cronus "Absolute rubbish.
Nothing to do with following WHO and scientific recommendations, of course? Oh no. Nothing to do with that.
Look, it's always seemed logical to me that although a crappy, ill-fitting mask will do next to nothing to prevent you catching an airborne virus, it could help prevent an infected person spread it by catching some of the infected droplets in their breath/sneezes/coughs. However, many scientific studies and WHO advice on this have been very clear from day one: unless FFP2/3 and professionally fitted, masks are mostly useless and therefore not required outside a medical/care environment. And that's before we even consider the lack of eye protection...
But - fast forward to the last few weeks and WHO advice has been gradually shifting based on a couple of studies in Hong Kong and other places, and if we're hoping to relax the lockdown soon it makes sense we take additional measures alongside social distancing, hand-washing etc.
And although I don't believe it was a factor bearing in mind face mask recommendations were already in place, so what if NHS supplies were prioritised? Do you not accept they are far more important in a medical or care setting? Or that if the government had recommended face masks, 67 million Brits all rushing out to buy all the masks they can find might have had pretty severely detrimental affect on supplies - which were already stretched beyond belief? Or in your brain is everything simply "Bojo and da Tories dun bad".
At the same time, you talk about ineptitude and complain incessantly of how the government/NHS struggled to maintain levels of PPE at times - well, so did you. Are you therefore inept? Shall we all slag you off in similar fashion? Multiply your struggles a million-fold and perhaps you'll get some idea of the challenges faced by NHS procurement, governments worldwide and probably 99% of general hospitals, doctor's surgeries and care homes on the planet. At least when you get hold of PPE you don't have 58,000 locations all demanding it. I think what I'm trying to say is, wind yer neck in: you, the NHS and the government are all doing the very best you can, and doing a grand job, in hugely challenging conditions.
Very enjoyable though, been back for 2nd's.
Poor old Mrs Flashman.
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| Quote: WIZEB "Very enjoyable though, been back for 2nd's.
Poor old Mrs Flashman.'"
You have done well there - you have managed to put 7 words together - that's a first for you
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| Quote: Sal Paradise "You have done well there - you have managed to put 7 words together - that's a first for you
Thanks.
It must have been my private scholarship you champion so well that swayed it for me.
Then again, I could just regurgitate from Con-HQ and their social news feeds, like your compadre, to give me an elevated sense of importance, but hey, I'd come across as dull as him.
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| Quote: Cronus "Tell me again why you think gloves and sanitiser are so important, while you ignore the facts I've placed before you.
I'm still waiting.'"
Well let’s see.
Let’s play a game called pick the job and will have a look at the feasibility of dong that job without gloves or hand sanitiser.
Starters for 10
Factory worker picking some tools up. Not sure who else might have picked them up. Either has his gloves on or alternatively has to use hand sanitiser because walking off the production line every 20 minutes to walk to the nearest toilet / sink is not feasible.
All of The People who are currently wearing gloves at work will be joined by millions more who will also need gloves Or hand sanitiser.
Interesting that the government is directing bus stations and transport hubs to provide hand sanitiser for passengers.
They obviously ignored cronus’ advice that we don’t need hand sanitiser.
Seems like hand sanitiser has become Cronus’ Marie Antoinette let them eat cake moment.
But of course you know this .
What you are actually doing is trying to justify going back to the herd immunity arguement as if you don’t have protective equipment than it is good if people catch it .
Problem is that no one knows how long immunity lasts or the impact of catching it again.
But then again we do not know that it affects poor people and BAME groups more.
Maybe that is Cronus’ motivation.
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| Quote: Cronus "Like I said to the other moron - prove me wrong. Go on.
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Tut tut.
A good moderator should really moderate your post.
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| Quote: Durham Giant "
But then again we do not know that it affects poor people and BAME groups more.
Maybe that is Cronus’ motivation.'"
Surely it's too obvious to point out that poor people and BAME groups tend to live in more crowded communities and live unhealthier lifestyles, so leading to being more prone to ANY illness, never mind Covid19??
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| Quote: Durham Giant "Well let’s see.
Let’s play a game called pick the job and will have a look at the feasibility of dong that job without gloves or hand sanitiser.
Starters for 10
Factory worker picking some tools up. Not sure who else might have picked them up. Either has his gloves on or alternatively has to use hand sanitiser because walking off the production line every 20 minutes to walk to the nearest toilet / sink is not feasible.
All of The People who are currently wearing gloves at work will be joined by millions more who will also need gloves Or hand sanitiser.
Interesting that the government is directing bus stations and transport hubs to provide hand sanitiser for passengers.
They obviously ignored cronus’ advice that we don’t need hand sanitiser.
Seems like hand sanitiser has become Cronus’ Marie Antoinette let them eat cake moment.
But of course you know this .
What you are actually doing is trying to justify going back to the herd immunity arguement as if you don’t have protective equipment than it is good if people catch it .
Problem is that no one knows how long immunity lasts or the impact of catching it again.
But then again we do not know that it affects poor people and BAME groups more.
Maybe that is Cronus’ motivation.'"
Good god I'm surrounded by them.
The post was in reply to the claim "all of the working people in the world" require "gloves and sanitizers for x millions of people for five/six days a week for 12-18 months? Nobody wears one pair of gloves for 8-10 hours a day" Presumably you believe the same?
Yes, of course sanitiser is useful where soap & water isn't practical, but only as long as it has sufficient alcohol content. But the fact is most people don't need "gloves and sanitizers for five/six days a week for 12-18 months". The key point - which you ignored - is that common soap is better at killing viruses.
Gloves - once again - are meant to prevent cross infection. You're not wearing gloves to protect your hands, are you? You don't become infected via your hands, do you? The whole point is not to touch your face - wearing gloves or not is utterly irrelevant - in fact wearing gloves instils a false sense of confidence and only promotes spread.
Your worker wearing gloves will just spread whatever he touches everywhere else - unless he changes gloves every time he touches something new, which would just be ridiculous. Let's say your worker is on a production line. He infects everything he touches with the infected gloves - which then moves down the line and infects everyone else presumably wearing gloves, who also spread it everywhere. Those tools he picked up? Infected with whatever was on his gloves, which have been doing the rounds for a few hours.
Let's say someone in an office wears gloves. They pick up CV19 from a door handle. Because they're wearing gloves they don't wash their hands as often, if at all. In the next 10 minutes they make a brew, touching the fridge handle, kitchen door, tap, kettle, milk and biscuit tin. They return to their desk and type, infecting the keyboard and mouse. They go and chat to a friend, touching various pieces of furniture along the way. They type on their phone. All infected. They touch several door handles moving around the building. Infected. They throw their gloves away and think they're safe.
As soon as they get home they're on their infected phone without gloves and pick their nose. Get it yet?
Exactly the same as someone who wears gloves to go shopping, drive their car - all they do is spread whatever they pick up on their gloves.
I bet you all ran out panic buying toilet roll as well.
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| For all those who apparently know better
rlWearing gloves "is not a good idea during coronavirus".rl
rlThe dangers of latex gloves.rl
rlYou shouldn't be wearing gloves to go shopping.rl
rlThe CDC recommends soap and water over sanitiser for several reasons.rl
rlSoap and water recommended over sanitiser, for many reasons.rl
rlProper handwashing is the gold standard.rl
rlWhy soap and water work better than hand sanitizer to remove the coronavirus.rl
I think we can be clear that "all of the working people in the world" do not require "gloves and sanitizers for x millions of people for five/six days a week for 12-18 months". The vast majority just need to wash their feckin hands in soap & water properly, and often. Virtually no-one requires gloves.
Yes, obviously sanitiser can be more convenient and most will probably do the job. But read some of the links and you'll see why it's not always doing what you think it's doing, for several reasons. And it must have sufficient alcohol content.
Knock yerselves out.
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| Quote: Cronus "For all those who apparently know better
rlWearing gloves "is not a good idea during coronavirus".rl
rlThe dangers of latex gloves.rl
rlYou shouldn't be wearing gloves to go shopping.rl
rlThe CDC recommends soap and water over sanitiser for several reasons.rl
rlSoap and water recommended over sanitiser, for many reasons.rl
rlProper handwashing is the gold standard.rl
rlWhy soap and water work better than hand sanitizer to remove the coronavirus.rl
I think we can be clear that "all of the working people in the world" do not require "gloves and sanitizers for x millions of people for five/six days a week for 12-18 months". The vast majority just need to wash their feckin hands in soap & water properly, and often. Virtually no-one requires gloves.
Yes, obviously sanitiser can be more convenient and most will probably do the job. But read some of the links and you'll see why it's not always doing what you think it's doing, for several reasons. And it must have sufficient alcohol content.
Knock yerselves out.'"
No point trying to have any kind of rational debate with most on here - their inability to think beyond the very basic level shows in almost every post - as I said in the safeism thread they think the government should protect them from all adversity and when it happens it is never their fault.
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