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| Quote: HullFC50 "There must have been a hell of a lot of depaived people around when Hitler died then!'"
I think people were just celebrating the end of the war and the fact that they had survived.
What does Thatcher's death mean really?
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| Do you think there may be any fall out after her funeral? Given the squeeze on families up and down the country could divisions resurface and civil unrest ensue? I've a sneaky feeling this may occur and Mrs Thatcher's death could be the trigger.
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| I was interested to read today that the British people's wealth is now its highest ever. Perhaps one of the better legacies of Mrs Thatcher?
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| The question is do you believe in a society where the State serves the people or one where the individual serves the State?
Do you believe in a society based on fairness and justice - where the individual is able to enjoy the fruits of his labour and talent - or one based on envy and slavery - where the State exploits the individual by stealing the fruits of his labour (egged on by its supporters who are filled with envy and jealousy of those people more successful and thus want to "get the rich"icon_wink.gif through the threat of force in order to distribute it to its cronies?
Do you believe in a society governed by its elected representatives or by an unelected minority group led by a Stalinist megalomaniac?
Do you believe in a society whereby people think about their duties and how they can help others, or one where people think only of their rights and how they can take from others?
Do you believe in a society where the individual takes responsibility for helping his family, neighbours and fellow citizens or a walk-on-by society where people ignore those around them because it is the State's job to do something about it?
Do you believe in a society based on reaction rather than progress - a society that sticks with outdated, dying and massive loss-making industries because it is what we are used to, or one which moves forward with the times and consequences of the modern globalised world? Presumably if you prefer the former you would also have been amongst the many people in the 19th century who protested against the move from an agricultural to industrial society.
Do you believe in a world where totalitarian nations such as Argentina, Iraq and the Soviet Union are able to invade and impose their rule on their neighbours, or do you believe in a world where the peoples of the Falkland Islands, Eastern Europe and Kuwait are free to choose their own governments and ways of living?
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| Quote: Dally "I was interested to read today that the British people's wealth is now its highest ever. Perhaps one of the better legacies of Mrs Thatcher?'"
Have you not noticed that we have not had to beg the IMF for a bailout since 1979? Or that bodies are buried now or that people work the full 5 days or that power cuts are a rarity? Or that even the "very poor" are able to afford TVs, cars, smart-phones, 3 meals a day, computer game consoles, holidays, clothes etc?
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| Quote: David Titan "The question is do you believe in a society where the State serves the people or one where the individual serves the State?
Do you believe in a society based on fairness and justice - where the individual is able to enjoy the fruits of his labour and talent - or one based on envy and slavery - where the State exploits the individual by stealing the fruits of his labour (egged on by its supporters who are filled with envy and jealousy of those people more successful and thus want to "get the rich"icon_wink.gif through the threat of force in order to distribute it to its cronies?
Do you believe in a society governed by its elected representatives or by an unelected minority group led by a Stalinist megalomaniac?
Do you believe in a society whereby people think about their duties and how they can help others, or one where people think only of their rights and how they can take from others?
Do you believe in a society where the individual takes responsibility for helping his family, neighbours and fellow citizens or a walk-on-by society where people ignore those around them because it is the State's job to do something about it?
Do you believe in a society based on reaction rather than progress - a society that sticks with outdated, dying and massive loss-making industries because it is what we are used to, or one which moves forward with the times and consequences of the modern globalised world? Presumably if you prefer the former you would also have been amongst the many people in the 19th century who protested against the move from an agricultural to industrial society.
Do you believe in a world where totalitarian nations such as Argentina, Iraq and the Soviet Union are able to invade and impose their rule on their neighbours, or do you believe in a world where the peoples of the Falkland Islands, Eastern Europe and Kuwait are free to choose their own governments and ways of living?'"
I believe in a world where the young are not resentful and envious of older people and one where the young individual uses their enegies, like their forefathers did, to build a better country for all rather than feeling hard done too like a latter day supporter of Scargill.
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| Quote: Ovavoo "Not to make it personal but you really are the original Thatchers child. Had you been a child in 1930's Berlin what would your future be now?
Apologist for Hitler?'"
People always resort to Hitler when they can't think up a coherent argument.
Or when they want to make themselves look a complete t!t.
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| Quote: Dally "Do you think there may be any fall out after her funeral? Given the squeeze on families up and down the country could divisions resurface and civil unrest ensue? I've a sneaky feeling this may occur and Mrs Thatcher's death could be the trigger.'"
I think there will be very tight security around Thatcher's funeral.
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| Quote: David Titan "Have you not noticed that we have not had to beg the IMF for a bailout since 1979? Or that bodies are buried now or that people work the full 5 days or that power cuts are a rarity? Or that even the "very poor" are able to afford TVs, cars, smart-phones, 3 meals a day, computer game consoles, holidays, clothes etc?'"
Even the young?
Power cuts are coming though.
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| Quote: Dally "I believe in a world where the young are not resentful and envious of older people and one where the young individual uses their enegies, like their forefathers did, to build a better country for all rather than feeling hard done too like a latter day supporter of Scargill.'"
Of course I am resentful of middle-aged people destroying this economy and burdening the nation with ever-rising levels debt, the consequences of which the young will suffer for the rest of their lives, because of their addiction to welfare and living beyond their means. What is going on is inter-generation theft, it is quite rightful to be resentful. Given the indignation and outraged of the middle-aged when a small group of youngsters destroyed some shops and stole some TVs/trainers back in the riots a few years ago, I would say I have a perfect right to be resentful of the destruction of millions of jobs/futures and the large-scale theft of this country's finances. Would you not be resentful if a gang of thieves stole your house and all your belongings, and then your insurance company refused to pay out so you had to pick up the bill?
Not sure how that makes me envious though.
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| Quote: David Titan "Of course I am resentful of middle-aged people destroying this economy and burdening the nation with ever-rising levels debt, the consequences of which the young will suffer for the rest of their lives, because of their addiction to welfare and living beyond their means. What is going on is inter-generation theft, it is quite rightful to be resentful. Would you not be resentful if a gang of thieves stole your house and all your belongings, and then your insurance company refused to pay out so you had to pick up the bill?
Not sure how that makes me envious though.'"
But you've accepted youself that you've been born into the UK at its wealthiest time in history. Surely, that says something to you?
For all their faults the baby boomers were born in the austerity of Post WW2 Britain with rationing, etc. From the bankrupt ashes of WW2 Britain their parents and them have built a country for your generation that is the richest it has ever been. Maybe if you encouraged your generation to "party" less and show a bit of responsibility and drive your generation could take us forward as far again over the next 60 odd years? Do I expect it? No - born too rich to have any desire or drive.
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| Quote: David Titan "Have you not noticed that we have not had to beg the IMF for a bailout since 1979? Or that bodies are buried now or that people work the full 5 days or that power cuts are a rarity? Or that even the "very poor" are able to afford TVs, cars, smart-phones, 3 meals a day, computer game consoles, holidays, clothes etc?'"
The dead are not buried immediately, as I pointed out on an earlier post.
The 3 day week and power cuts happened under a tory watch.
It may suprise you but most poeple had TVs in the 1970s and many did not need cars because we had a working and affordable public transport system. Most had 3 meals a day and many could afford holidays too. Smart phones and game consoles hadn't been invented
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| Quote: cod'ead "The dead are not buried immediately, as I pointed out on an earlier post.
The 3 day week and power cuts happened under a tory watch.
It may suprise you but most poeple had TVs in the 1970s and many did not need cars because we had a working and affordable public transport system. Most had 3 meals a day and many could afford holidays too. Smart phones and game consoles hadn't been invented'"
3 day week caused by the unions coming out on strike, not the tories and cars were also not required as people tended to live in closer communities with everyone living and working in the same area.
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| Quote: cod'ead "The dead are not buried immediately, as I pointed out on an earlier post.'"
Indeed. But they are not just left to back up either.
Quote: cod'ead "The 3 day week and power cuts happened under a tory watch.'"
That would be as a result of the miners' (many) strikes plus any other union who felt like sending along a flying picket or two.
Quote: cod'ead "It may suprise you but most poeple had TVs in the 1970s '"
Mostly black and white.
Quote: cod'ead "and many did not need cars because we had a working and affordable public transport system. '"
Cars were largely beyond the ability of most people to afford. That we couldn't afford cars meant that people continued to use the public transport system, which was heavily subsidised by the people who used the public transport system, having to pay for it twice over.
Quote: cod'ead "Most had 3 meals a day and many could afford holidays too. '"
Mostly in the UK though.
Quote: cod'ead "Smart phones and game consoles hadn't been invented'"
Toasters had though.
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| Quote: Dally "But you've accepted youself that you've been born into the UK at its wealthiest time in history. Surely, that says something to you?
For all their faults the baby boomers were born in the austerity of Post WW2 Britain with rationing, etc. From the bankrupt ashes of WW2 Britain their parents and them have built a country for your generation that is the richest it has ever been. Maybe if you encouraged your generation to "party" less and show a bit of responsibility and drive your generation could take us forward as far again over the next 60 odd years? Do I expect it? No - born too rich to have any desire or drive.'"
Yes it is at its wealthiest, but wealth is no longer increasing and in the coming years it will decline. As I have told you the problems are so myriad and so deep that nothing can be done down. In 11 years of government, the most principled and determined prime minister of the 20th century was only able to reverse one aspect of British decline - the economy. She was unable to reverse any other aspect of national decline. Given that the problems facing Britain have grown exponentially since then, Labour have managed once more to ruin the national economy (but this time on a larger and more lasting scale than ever before), and every area of public life is riddled with corruption, selfishness and cowardice there is absolutely no amount of drive or action that remedy the situation.
Regarding post-war Britain, the Baby-Boomers rebuilt the economy on the fragile foundations of State spending, welfarism and American loans. It was the post-war Butskellite consensus that destroyed the traditional independence and innovative spirit of the British people, and it replaced with the principles of dependency, idleness and envy. The Baby-Boomers threw away the British empire and made us economically dependent of the US, and political satrap of Germany, so that we could establish a healthcare system that is the second worst in the developed world.
The establishment of the welfare state and nationalised economy in 1945, for noble reasons, which formed the basis of your great economic recovery sowed the seeds for the belief in cradle-to-grave State benefits, massive public spending and massive debt. We saw the consequences of the nationalisation of industry in the 70s, we are seeing the consequences of welfarism today. Great legacy the baby-boomers built and left - potentially the end of Western civilisation and certainly the end of the West has the leading power in the world. Congratulations on destroying hundreds of years of history in just a few decades.
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