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Quote: WestEndThinker "sounds a symptom of the ridiculous world created in recent times.'"


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Quote: wrencat1873 "FFS hpw many people have died due to Bojo's incompetence
About a tenth that died due to labours lies.

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Quote: Steph Curry "About a tenth that died due to labours lies.'"


But nowhere near those enabled and facilitated by that useless Tory Neville Chamberlain icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Steph Curry "About a tenth that died due to labours lies.'"


I'm just pleased that you're happy.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Strangely, to get through the pandemic, they have adopted some strong socialist policies, with increases to benefits, the furlough scheme and a huge increase in public spending and it will be fascinating how they return to "normal".'"

What we've seen is that policy is no longer important to many of their supporters - they can do things that Corbyn would have raised an eyebrow at but it's all about culture wars and Trump-style identity politics. Gin up and distract people enough with that stuff and they can do what they like really, ideology is dead.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "I'm just pleased that you're happy.'"


Where did I say I was happy? Go on, show me. That’s right, you can’t. Unlucky.

But I will break it down for you. You are quite happy to harp on about a death toll that has been caused due to unprecedented circumstances whilst supporting a party that lied and in the process caused the deaths of millions of innocent people (I know that to you it doesn’t matter because they weren’t white, but still, that’s Labour supporters for you!)

That’s why Labour will never get in. You epitomise what is wrong with them

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Quote: Steph Curry " "I know that to you it doesn’t matter because they weren’t white, but still, that’s Labour supporters for you"
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I love the way you just make things up and then state them as fact. I guess thats why you're attracted to the Russian sponsored adulterous serial liar.

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Quote: Steph Curry "Where did I say I was happy? Go on, show me. That’s right, you can’t. Unlucky.

But I will break it down for you. You are quite happy to harp on about a death toll that has been caused due to unprecedented circumstances whilst supporting a party that lied and in the process caused the deaths of millions of innocent people (I know that to you it doesn’t matter because they weren’t white, but still, that’s Labour supporters for you!)

That’s why Labour will never get in. You epitomise what is wrong with them'"


How many have we helped in Yemen with our continued arms sales to Saudi Arabia.

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Quote: silver2 "I love the way you just make things up and then state them as fact. I guess thats why you're attracted to the Russian sponsored adulterous serial liar.'"


What am I making up? Wrencat is so incensed about a worldwide pandemic that no one was prepared for but supports a party that lied through their teeth and caused the deaths of millions of innocent people from the Middle East.

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Quote: Steph Curry "What am I making up? Wrencat is so incensed about a worldwide pandemic that no one was prepared for but supports a party that lied through their teeth and caused the deaths of millions of innocent people from the Middle East.'"


And it was voted through with an absolute majority. Plenty on all sides will have lined their pockets. Wars are profitable, after all.

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Quote: King Street Cat "And it was voted through with an absolute majority. Plenty on all sides will have lined their pockets. Wars are profitable, after all.'"

I'm no defender of Blair or of the Labour Party but let's not forget that 99% of Conservative MPs voted for the Iraq war compared to 75% of Labour MPs.

100% of Liberal Democrats and 100% of SNP MPs, of course, voted against but I doubt 'Steph' supports either of them which makes the whole thing another bit of lazy trolling.

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Quote: The Ghost of '99 "I'm no defender of Blair or of the Labour Party but let's not forget that 99% of Conservative MPs voted for the Iraq war compared to 75% of Labour MPs.

100% of Liberal Democrats and 100% of SNP MPs, of course, voted against but I doubt 'Steph' supports either of them which makes the whole thing another bit of lazy trolling.'"


Yes but based on evidence presented by the Labour government that was wildly inaccurate. Most decent people would support action of this nature if they genuinely thought national security was at risk - the fact that more Tories voted for it than Labour surely suggests one group puts the security of its citizens above all other?

It could also be that 25% of the Labour MPs simply didn't believe their leader?

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Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "Yes but based on evidence presented by the Labour government that was wildly inaccurate. Most decent people would support action of this nature if they genuinely thought national security was at risk - the fact that more Tories voted for it than Labour surely suggests one group puts the security of its citizens above all other?

It could also be that 25% of the Labour MPs simply didn't believe their leader?'"

Brilliant.
The ones who voted against were unpatriotic, Labour who voted for were liars and the only virtuous ones were those apparently gullible Conservatives.

I applaud you for this framing, it's genius and echoes one of those most beloved and despicable right wing lies: that people they disagree with don't love their country.

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Quote: Zoo Zoo Boom "
It could also be that 25% of the Labour MPs simply didn't believe their leader?'"


Very possibly. I know I didn’t either.

The absence of WMD was framed by much of the press that initially supported the war as a surprise. But there was plenty of coverage and expert opinion suggesting that there were few or none well in advance. Not least from the UN weapons inspectors. It was also obvious that while as Sadaam Hussein was a horrible piece of faeces, he had nothing to do with 9/11.

The circumstances and (British) policies that led to the creation of modern Iraq, after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, are interesting. The recent Adam Curtis documentary series touched on it and it is outlined on Wikipedia, of course.

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Quote: Mild Rover "Very possibly. I know I didn’t either.

The absence of WMD was framed by much of the press that initially supported the war as a surprise. But there was plenty of coverage and expert opinion suggesting that there were few or none well in advance. Not least from the UN weapons inspectors. It was also obvious that while as Sadaam Hussein was a horrible piece of faeces, he had nothing to do with 9/11.

The circumstances and (British) policies that led to the creation of modern Iraq, after the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, are interesting. The recent Adam Curtis documentary series touched on it and it is outlined on Wikipedia, of course.'"


Was the evidence that Blair was using not from our "friends" across the pond.
Either way, if America says jump, it's very hard to keep our feet on the ground.

It's the price that we have to pay for their support when we need it.

It wouldn't have mattered who was in power, it would have been impossible to say no, even if, as has been proven since, the WMD simply weren't there.

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