You keep trotting out the Mail, Express, Sun garbage, I read none of them. Out of interest, which sector do you work in, how much unnecessary beaurocracy do you come across?

One side is trying to deliver the mandate they asked the country to give them. The other has a very fluid policy depending on which day it is.

They all seem very certain that another referendum will deliver a remain vote - what happens if it delivers another leave vote?

Answer my questions & I will answer yours. How do they 'meddle' now, and how would they meddle more?

Without doubt we would have to leave. Assuming the options were clear. I have not come across anyone saying different.

You have no experience of dealing with EU bearocracy, that is clear. You are all for attempting to belittle peopls and attempt, in vain, to "call them out", the truth is you are a died in the wool socialist, you don't believe in democracy.

I obtain & spend EU funding. Millions. My brother worked for the EU for many years; he still does occasionally. His wife still does. My nephew is working on Brexit very close to the heart of Government. I have voted Labour once in a GE in the last 30 years. That was tactical to kick out the Tory scummer. It worked.

So tell me, How do they 'meddle' now, and how would they meddle more?

What do you expect them to agree to?

I'm presuming you typed that without any sense of irony?

The genuinely tragic thing is, so ill-informed are so many of these Brexiteers, that they genuinely believe that our European partners didn't make huge concessions as part of the withdrawal agreement. The EU negotiators got some pushback from the memer states for some of them.

But unless it's all the cake, fully eaten then they won't have any of it, regardless of what was said during the referendum campaign and their complete lack of mandate for any sort of no-deal exit.

Very broadly speaking there were always going to be three directions out of the EU.

1. Something like Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein, the members of the EEA
2. Something like Canada, with a basic free trade deal
3. No deal, WTO terms

The blame for disappointment for not getting some other imagined better deal belongs to those who imagined it and those who believed them, not the EU. People who don’t like any of the above three options probably shouldn’t have voted Leave.

The Irish border issue could and maybe should have been part of the future relationship negotiations. But given the UK government’s failure to articulate a position, and now with a deeply, deeply dishonest blustering gormclops calling the shots on our side, the EU were probably wise.

As Alan Duncan said the other day we’re all boxed in. We’ve done this to ourselves, all of us. To whine on that the EU won’t put our interests ahead of their own is utterly ridiculous, given the whole point of Brexit is meant to be us striking out by ourselves and standing on our on 140 million feet.

One delicious irony/horrifying reality is that Tories called this all on to see off Farage and now they’re pretty much completely beholden to him.

It is like some mad mash-up co-written Michael Dobbs, Mervyn Peake, Lewis Carroll and Franz Kafka.