That shows a defeatist mentality. Anybody serious would say they lost the battle but will win the war!

Yes, Labour is heading for oblivion. That's for the simple reason I have been banging on about for years (pre-Corbyn) - they do not represent anything or anybody. Until they can themselves answer the basic questions of what they stand for and who they wish to represent they will fail. They have already fallen so far it will be a very hard climb back up, which I doubt they will achieve any time soon. The vacuum they have created and are creating will probably be filled by a combination of the far right and some poncey middle of the road party in the short to medium-term.

I think that Corbyn is trying to align himself to an "old school" working class population, that works down t'pit or in a factory somewhere.
Unfortunately, people no longer carry out the hard semi skilled manual labour that they once did and his "target market" is simply too small to have sufficient votes to carry him to power.
The first requirement for any party leader, who is serious about wanting to be prime minister, is to be sufficiently popular as to obtain enough parliamentary seats to have a majority and in this respect Labour are failing quite spectacularly.
Sure, there are thousands of people on low wages or, who are unable to work and the Tory government holds them all in contempt, no longer trusting the medical profession to advise if people are fit to work and instead forces them to prove their fitness to a government official but, there just aren't enough people who want to fight for the same things that he does.
The "working class" sadly, are more likely to see the right wing Tory, Farage as their saviour, which is just bonkers as the guy is seeking power for his own means and like the rest our right wing politicians, doesnt give a damn about those people that he pretends to represent.

Apologies to middle England........... Not!

Comes down to whether you want an anti austerity government or more of the same- only that 'same' will mean more ordinary people getting shafted, more public services ( NHS , education etc.. £ being privatised and ergo running primarily for profit, and a less equitable society- which of course was the prime reason for austerity in the first place, the further enrichment of the already rich at the expense of the poorest in society.
Whatever you think of Corbyn and co, Labour will go into any election under him offering this alternative- no other party will. It will be up to the voters to realise this or to continue voting in the turkeys for Christmas manner. Or worse still not bother getting off their backsides to vote in the first place!

I don't have an issue with this. Back services such as procurement, contracting, administration.....amongst many more should be centrally managed across the UK where significant savings could be made.

The people of this country are already like turkeys voting for Christmas as shown by the Brexit vote.

Mr Corbyn today declared that Mrs May and Britain , " wants her cake and eat it " ! , yes Mr Corbyn , we do , we might not get it , but that's our staring point , if it was you sorting it , we'd end up with nothing

Theres a couple of Bye elections coming up which Labour should pick up, but let's wait and see.

They should , but they won't

How useless is Diane Abbott?? What are Labour thinking when throwing her in to programmes where she gets opened up time and time again. She should avoid aggressive interviewers like Andrew Neil at all cost. That was embarrassing yesterday morning.

They really need to find someone articulate who can front the party up in the face of the public.

Whatever happened to David Milliband, the bloke who should have held the reins instead of his bungling brother ?
You're right about Abbott though.
However good she may be and however knowledgeable she is, she just isn't the person to be stuck in fron of the camera, when the pressure is on.

Im not even sure the pressure is on yet which makes it all the more worrying

The pressure should be on, as our system does kind of rely on an effective opposition Corbyn, Abbott et al pftt!!!

Labour at the moment offer nothing at all, no clear policy and not even personality in an age of personality politics, so they are facing being politically side lined, (oblivion is too strong a word for being unelectable for the foreseeable future IMO) by the Tories and little Jimmy Krankie over the border who's Scottish seats might have come in handy if Labour wanted to make a fist of it, if you pardon the expression.

Labour has had a fundamental problem for years now - it does know what it stands for or who it represents. Just appealing to middle of the road voters in swing constituencies is not the philosophical basis for a political party. Witnout PR Labour will be consigned to history within 10 years.