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Quote: JerryChicken "... Do I give Osborne credit for this ? I give him credit for finally realising that austerity doesn't work even if he won't publicly say it, I give him no credit for continuing with the cutting of expenditure in public services and the selling off of public assets despite election promises that those public assets were safe in his party's hands - whilst all the time increasing the country's debt.'"


Would those lies include cutting funding for rlmental health carerl?

Any recovery is to be welcomed.

It'll be nice when the majority of the British people see it and not just a few. It'll be nice when unemployment falls and vacancies rise – and when underemployment falls too.

It'll be nice when ordinary people see their incomes grow rather than decline.

It'll be nice when food banks close their doors through lack of anyone needing them and then the Red Cross no longer need to hand out food parcels in the UK.

It'll be nice when this government stops telling lies about benefits claimants as well as those lies about its policies.

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A significant reason for the reduction in real wages in recent years has been the fact that an increased proportion of the wage bills of employees and employers alike is going on national insurance and pensions. Labour aRe largely responsible for the former and as government tries to address the latter people moan about having to work longer.

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It'll be nice when this government stops telling lies about benefits claimants as well as those lies about its policies.'"


It ain't over yet, not by a long way rlhttps://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12/12/george-osborne-welfare_n_4430917.html?utm_hp_ref.

In order to sell the idea of swingeing cuts to the benefits bill in the next term he is going to have to start telling some whoppers in order to get the Murdoch press reading public onside, which is basically all he has to do to get re-elected, stand by for some epic "scroungers" tales to come in the next 15 months so that white-van-man and you taxi cab drivers convince themselves that its the crippled and insane that are robbing tax from their wallets (when they pay any).

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Quote: JerryChicken "It ain't over yet, not by a long way rlhttps://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12/12/george-osborne-welfare_n_4430917.html?utm_hp_ref.

In order to sell the idea of swingeing cuts to the benefits bill in the next term he is going to have to start telling some whoppers in order to get the Murdoch press reading public onside, which is basically all he has to do to get re-elected, stand by for some epic "scroungers" tales to come in the next 15 months so that white-van-man and you taxi cab drivers convince themselves that its the crippled and insane that are robbing tax from their wallets (when they pay any).'"


It's a sound strategy, as Rachel "tougher than the Tories" Reeves has decided. Still, no doubt in 2015 the "Big 2" will be cast into the wilderness by the voters aghast at these policies.

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I genuinely wouldn't know who to vote for now. Maybe it's time for a new Guy Fawkes (a more successful one). Clear the lot out and start again. Mind you there are still plenty of public schoolboys with an over inflated sense of entitlement out there, we will never run out of those. The party they join depends on how wet or dry they are 1. had your lunch money stolen, know your place, bullied mercilessly, fagging for the big boys but still an arrogant little S4h!t with a superiority complex over the masses - LibDem: 2. cardigan, in a band, smoke a bit of weed, Daddy a bit of a leftie, not allowed into any secret societies, Labour: 3. stole lunch money, had a fag, regularly vomit on an underling after consuming too much champagne and fois gras, wear rediculous Voctorian era clothes, member of secret society, Tory.

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As above - If there was an election tomorrow, I would not vote, simple as, and that would be for the first time in the 26 years I've been eligible to do so.

The Tories are rotten to the core, always have been, always will be.... The Lib Dems are just useless chancers - They know they are a pointless minority, an irritant on the political landscape, yet are constantly looking for a way to wheedle themselves into some sort of power, even being prepared to sell all their principles so as to being able to cosy up with whoever is in power..... As for Labour - For a party that should be the voice of those in the most peril from such an uncaring government, they are totally inept... Ed Milliband is hopeless. The majority of his shadow cabinet are equally awful - I don't know a single one of them who appeals in the slightest to me.

We all know that Tony Blair wasn't the messiah that many of his initial worshippers hoped he would be, but UK politics desperately needs somebody of his charisma to bring some vision and hope back to the political scene.... Democracy is slowly dying in this country, simply because the public don't care any more about charisma-free monotones offering nothing fresh or nothing that offers any hope to the vast majority.

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Quote: Dita's Slot Meter "

We all know that Tony Blair wasn't the messiah that many of his initial worshippers hoped he would be, but UK politics desperately needs somebody of his charisma to bring some vision and hope back to the political scene.... Democracy is slowly dying in this country, simply because the public don't care any more about charisma-free monotones offering nothing fresh or nothing that offers any hope to the vast majority.'"


The last thing I want to see, after Camoron and Blair is someone with "charisma", I'd far rather see some policies that will help address the growing inequality in this country. Both Cameron and Blair hads charisma, what they both lacked was an ability to resist the neoliberalism that now blights the developed world, where the market is seen as everything and service is a dirty word. It's high time neoliberalism was shown up for what it is: an expectation to privatise profits, knowing full well that the state will cover any losses. The banks are but the prime example.

So stuff charisma, give me substance

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Quote: cod'ead "The last thing I want to see, after Camoron and Blair is someone with "charisma", I'd far rather see some policies that will help address the growing inequality in this country. Both Cameron and Blair hads charisma, what they both lacked was an ability to resist the neoliberalism that now blights the developed world, where the market is seen as everything and service is a dirty word. It's high time neoliberalism was shown up for what it is


I agree with what you say with regards to needing politicians with substance, but there can be no denying that Blair, in the run up to his election and in the initial honeymoon period as PM, really seemed to offer something fresh, a refreshing vision to the awful stink that the Tories had become in their final years under Major.

Presently, we have zilch, absolutely nothing, from any of the major parties - Its little wonder that minority, crackpot parties like UKIP are managing to garner support in areas where they should be laughed out of town.

Of course, we want substance and not false promises, but I think firstly we need somebody, or something to wake up a disinterested public, otherwise democracy may as well be done away with, because having elections, where only a third of those eligible to vote are doing so, just become an embarrassing sham and give little authority to those who somehow find themselves in ultimate power.

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What really grinds is when its nigh on impossible to vote for the party that used to be important and meant something to you growing up.
I haven't been able to vote for my party, the Labour Party, for many many years.

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And now a Tory think tank has come up with the idea of only paying benefits for the first two children.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12 ... ref=topbar

This coming from the same guy who claimed on expenses to heat his stables.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11 ... 50907.html
And now a Tory think tank has come up with the idea of only paying benefits for the first two children.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/12 ... ref=topbar

This coming from the same guy who claimed on expenses to heat his stables.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11 ... 50907.html


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We need to find a way to reverse the stigmatisation of accepting the benefits of a welfare state, especially as the vast majority of the population are indeed recipients of that state.

I was born four years after the creation of the welfare state. Born in a dedicated maternity hospital with all the available care in reach if required, instead of born in my mother's bed iwth the only "experienced" care coming "Betty down the street" because my mam & dad couldn't afford to pay a doctor's and/or midwife's bill.

I benefited from free (at the point of delivery), healthcare and schooling. My mother never received any family allowance for me because it was only paid for second and subsequent children. I left school at sixteen and from the following April paid income tax and NI without grumble or complaint because I knew that the state would use my contributions to look after me in my dotage. Unfortunately now I'm reaching pensionable age, I find that the state has reneged on that promise, I'll need to keep on working just to simply subsist. All my contributions to basic NI, SERPS, various company and private schemes will amount to around 4/5ths of buggerall.

The only thing austerity has brought is more misery for the less well-off in order to create ever more wealth for those who didn't need the money anyway. A determined, as opposed to the half-a[ir[/ised window dressing, exercise in tackling tax avoidance and evasion would result in no need for austerity. Concentrating on tackling "benefit fraud" while basically ignoring tax evasion and avoidance is peverse but just about sums up what the tories are, always have been and always will be about.

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It will be 'worse' under Labour.

www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... es-welfare

The welfare state has ballooned to a ridiculous size over the last decade. It's much harder to shrink it than expand it. Thankfully all major parties recognised that it needs to be smaller.
It will be 'worse' under Labour.

www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... es-welfare

The welfare state has ballooned to a ridiculous size over the last decade. It's much harder to shrink it than expand it. Thankfully all major parties recognised that it needs to be smaller.


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Quote: Mintball "This bloke is another nasty, snout-in-the-trough piece of work.

I'm curious as to what he would 'think' a family should do if, for argument's sake, they have triplets while not claiming benefits and then later need to claim benefits.'"


Maybe it's a result of Cameron's recent visit to China and he was so impressed with China's "one child policy"?

Interesting to note that MPs are allowed to claim up to rl£2,425 per dependent child simply for visiting.rl

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Quote: cod'ead "Concentrating on tackling "benefit fraud" while basically ignoring tax evasion and avoidance is peverse but just about sums up what the tories are, always have been and always will be about.'"


You mean apart from the tax agreement thing with Switzerland that the coalition started in January this year? Still, it never quite brought in the £3bn projected, just less than £1bn I think the figures show. Which is still £1bn more than anyone thought would be recouped. Perhaps those on benefits are squirreling away their hard earned in Geneva.

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