What I find scary is despite the hard lessons of Iraq etc. I get the impression that had it not been for Miliband we and the US would probably have already fired a few squillion quids of gear at the Syrians. To "send a signal".

Wouldn't, say, a fax be both cheaper and clearer?

If it has to be signals, couldn't they do those big flashy light things off the battleships?

Why do our signals need to be a big fukoff bang, inevitably instantly killing and maiming a whole bunch of assorted Syrians in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Cobblers.

"Intelligence" hasn't told Miliband or Cameron who perpetrated the attack (source : D.Cameron - in Parliament ten minutes ago, he says it's a question of judgement about who did it).
"Intelligence" has yet to determine even what chemical was involved.

The advice on legality has changed from day-to-day, what the UK government had thought on Tuesday night (i.e. it would be legal to strike at the regime) had changed by Wednesday morning (erm, it might not be).

Miliband has said all along that without legality he wouldn't vote for anything.

Labour (as well as everyone else) should definitely take lessons from the mistakes over Iraq, that IS sound judgement ... and that includes being careful not to put too much store by so-called intelligence, of which there is precious little anyway.

So far, Miliband's judgement is to wait for the UN team's report.
What's wrong with that?
Isn't that what we should have done before attacking Iraq?

What bothers me is that Miliband might, after getting that report, then agree with Cameron that missile strikes are justified.
I don't see how it is possible to damage one side without thereby assisting the other side.

Intelligence? From the BBC reportMr Cameron has said he believes there is "compelling" evidence from the intelligence services and from publicly available material, including YouTube videos of the atrocity, that the regime carried out the attack.'"

Why all the focus on whether any attack would be strictly legal? What about what is the morally right thing to do.

It's like a serial killer being acquitted on a technicality.

Cameron loses the vote.

Ha ha

Great. Wars are expensive. Expensive things aren't good for the recovering economy.

Yeah, pity we can't hold cake sales and fetes for the MoD, instead of hospitals and foodbanks

Michael Gove had to be 'calmed down' in parliament after the vote as he had a go at backbenchers who rebelled calling them a 'disgrace'


Brilliant

With all the world being spied upon by the NSA, GCHQ etc, surley they can come up with something to prove one way or another, or who the hell have they being spying on for the past few years ????

Without a clear mandate from the UN, no military action can be deemed ' Legal '

Maybe time that the dialogue used at the UN became more simple direct and personal

Yet another predictable c0ck up by this government - complete and utter jokers