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| Quote: El Barbudo "... If I may put aside the politics of buildings and their purpose, I'd like to mention the Gherkin, which to me is a superbly elegant blend of engineering and aesthetics ... like a huge Faberge egg from a distance when it glitters in the daylight and, as you approach, it seems to get smaller and the shape is such that, when you arrive next to it and look up, its height tapers out of sight so you don't see all of it and it doesn't dominate from street level.
The best modern building in The City, in my opinion...'"
Totally agree on this – and yes, 'elegant' is exactly how I'd describe it too.
Quote: El Barbudo "... One of the most shouty-but-boring examples has to be No.1. Poultry ...
The harsh brutal nature of the Barbican (even though I hate the whole idea of brutalism and still believe it was a misconception) and the South Bank centre, did at least have an idea behind them which is exactly what No 1 Poultry lacks, it is like a little girl wearing all her mother's make-up.'"
This is a really wonderful description.
It also makes me think of Paternoster Square, where Big Ears stuck his oar in about ensuring that it was 'appropriate' architecture for standing next to Wren's glorious cathedral.
In the end, what we got is dismal – the infantilism of architectural pastiche. Personally, I'd have given the space to the likes of Rodgers or Foster and said: 'go to it!'
The Barbican and the South Bank I am rather fond of, personally.
There is a vast amount of dross around. The 'Walkie Talkie' is dire. Heron Tower is ... well, what? All height and nothing more. Broadgate Tower is moderately interesting because it's a rhomboid, but so much else is just all about height.
I do like the no-longer-very-new Lloyds Building (been inside it on one of those 'open house' tours) and the Willis Building nearby (Rodgers and Foster respectively), and the 'Cheesegrater' will be amazing (another Rodgers) although it much taller than I realised.
Perversely, Docklands works rather well, I think – perhaps because it's in one area.
The big buildings are spreading: City Road, which I travel up and down every weekday, is going mad. There's one medium-sized block nearly finished, but at least four more going up on the short stretch from Old Street roundabout to the City Road Basin. The Lexicon is going to 36 stories. Canaletto is going to be 31 (the names are hilarious). From what I can gather, there's also a planned 40-plus storey building. And so on.
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| If you search enough, there are some really beautiful and/or quirky buildings in London, i don't understand though why they have to be tall to be 'noticed'.
There's a quirky building on Holloway Road (London Met Uni)
and even though it's full of the worst kind of human beings known to man T HoP is an absolutely gorgeous building.
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| Quote: Horatio Yed "If you search enough, there are some really beautiful and/or quirky buildings in London, i don't understand though why they have to be tall to be 'noticed'.
There's a quirky building on Holloway Road (London Met Uni)
and even though it's full of the worst kind of human beings known to man T HoP is an absolutely gorgeous building.'"
Not easy to do, but it's fascinating to take a stroll down Oxford Street – looking above shop front level. It's surprising what's up there. And beyond Oxford Circus, you have the changes to department store architecture – and even a Barbara Hepworth sculpture on the side of John Lewis.
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| Quote: Mintball " ... Paternoster Square ..the infantilism of architectural pastiche. Personally, I'd have given the space to the likes of Rodgers or Foster and said
So would I.
Pastiche is right ... like a 1990's Portmeirion, without the fun.
It's a bit of an indictment when the only bit that's not blandly forgettable is a small sculpture in one corner (Frink's [iShepherd and Sheep[/i).
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| Quote: El Barbudo " ... like a 1990's Portmeirion, without the fun...'"
Perfect description.
Quote: El Barbudo "... It's a bit of an indictment when the only bit that's not blandly forgettable is a small sculpture in one corner (Frink's [iShepherd and Sheep[/i).'"
Good point.
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| I used to work in Greenford and although it's now a tesco, The Hoover Building and it's blue and green lighting always stands out, when i sometimes come back from the North and the M1 is snarled up i use the M40 and come in that way, as soon as i see it i strangely (because i'm northern) feel like i'm home.
Then perversely i have to drive past BX shopping centre (awful looking repressive building).
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| Quote: Horatio Yed "I used to work in Greenford and although it's now a tesco, The Hoover Building and it's blue and green lighting always stands out ...'"
A wonderful building.
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| I don't know it's name, i'm currently googling to find out but there's a building in the city on Leadenhall Street that i absolutely love, it's a metal looking industrial design, it has a stair case on the outside and it's always been my favourite building because it reminds me of buildings you see in dark futuristic films.
*edit Llyods Building
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| Quote: Horatio Yed "... The Hoover Building and it's blue and green lighting always stands out, when i sometimes come back from the North and the M1 is snarled up i use the M40 and come in that way, as soon as i see it i strangely (because i'm northern) feel like i'm home... '"
I used to get a bit of that sort of feeling from the Bibendum building as I fancied it was faced with Burmantofts ceramics from Leeds ... reminds me, I need to verify that.
I have a soft spot for Art Nouveau and London lets me down in that respect, I guess that the popularity of the Arts and Crafts movement (of which I am also a big fan) eclipsed it in the UK.
Nonetheless, the Bibendum building is one that cheers me up (although I guess it is more Secessionist than Nouveau really).
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| Quote: Horatio Yed "I don't know it's name, i'm currently googling to find out but there's a building in the city on Leadenhall Street that i absolutely love, it's a metal looking industrial design, it has a stair case on the outside and it's always been my favourite building because it reminds me of buildings you see in dark futuristic films.
*edit Llyods Building'"
rlA few pics from outsiderl.
We've also seen the Pompidou Centre in Paris, and then there's also 88 Wood Street (or London Wall, as most people think of it), which both have the same inside-out approach. I've also seen his law courts in Bordeaux, which are interesting too.
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| Quote: Horatio Yed "I don't know it's name, i'm currently googling to find out but there's a building in the city on Leadenhall Street that i absolutely love, it's a metal looking industrial design, it has a stair case on the outside and it's always been my favourite building because it reminds me of buildings you see in dark futuristic films.
*edit Llyods Building'"
I didn't like it when it was first built but it's grown on me in recent years.
The inside-out nature of it is better looking than the Pompidou Centre, also by Rogers and also inside-out, which I still dislike.
*Edit ...Just seen Mintball's post ... makes this one a little redundant
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| On modernity and out of London, I do like what they've done in Liverpool around the docks, keeping the essence of the historic dock buildings, but also adding some really interesting new ones.
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| Quote: Horatio Yed " ... The Hoover Building ... '"
You might like the Carreras Building in Hampstead Rd.
I'd never heard of it until I was poking around the Mornington Crescent area (*) and suddenly came across this huge painted thing with Egyptian columns up the front.
(*) Having originally gone to the area to see Sir John Soane's tomb (from which Giles Gilbert Scott is supposed to have got his idea for the shape of the iconic red phone box), Hardy's tree (just Google it, fascinating story about Thomas Hardy and the railway to St Pancras) and the tomb of Mary Wollstonecroft ... all of which are in the pleasant churchyard of Old St Pancras Church, well worth an hour of one's time and only a short walk from St Pancras station, where the hotel was designed by Sir George Gilbert Scott, the grandfather of the aforementioned Giles.
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| Quote: Mintball "On modernity and out of London, I do like what they've done in Liverpool around the docks, keeping the essence of the historic dock buildings, but also adding some really interesting new ones.
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Just a shame that they've blocked the Liver Building from your viewpoint
The study of architecture is always fascinating and on the rare occasions that I get dragged by the females into Leeds then I stand around outside various shops waiting for them to do whatever the hell it is that women do in their womens shops, and I stare at the upper floors of whatever street I am stood in, up above the corporate branding vandalism of most of our high streets are the story of the high street and on main thoroughfares like Briggate in Leeds you get the full history of the city and an idea of how affluent some of the Victorian and Edwardian developers were - why else would you decorate the outside of your building with terracotta trimmings that serve no other purpose but to broadcast tot he world that YOU, the person who owns this retail outlet, are VERY, VERY wealthy and so deserving of the public confidence - something that you never ever see these days - when was the last time that you looked at a new B&Q warehouse and thought, "they must be worthy of our commercial trust, I mean, look at the money they've spent on that anodised orange cladding".
There's also a story behind the development of Leeds as a legal and financial centre in the 1970s and 80s over and above its neighbour in Bradford (which arguably has some much nicer remaining old buildings, yes really), from the awful 1960s functional but very ugly office buildings (fortunately not as all-pervasive as Bradfords centre was), through the 70s and 80s when someone at the council decided that plain old concrete was horrible and that brickwork should be seen once again in the city, preferably with contrasting brick features, and a proper pitched and tiled roof too - so much so did they buy into this concept that it became known as "The Leeds Design" and after a decade or so someone shouted "STOP" because it was becoming boring again
You can't win sometimes with architecture, the real answer is to have a good mix.
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| Quote: JerryChicken "Just a shame that they've blocked the Liver Building from your viewpoint
I rather like the compositions it creates with those diagonals, and then the Liver Building rising behind.
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