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Quote: kirkstaller "Why shouldn't two teenage boys share a room???

And if the HA of LA can't offer you suitable accommodation, why not look to the private sector?'"


Is that your solution ?

Your LA and HA can't give you a two bed house so you find a private landlord who can and then claim your full housing benefit entitlement ?

Of course, everyone's life is so simple that they can just relocate for the sake of a government officials decree, it really is that simple isn't it - millions did it by government decree all over Europe in the 1940s.

We never saw them again of course, but still, I bet the housing benefit budget looked fantastic after that.

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Quote: kirkstaller "Have you heard of Godwin's Law?'"


Yup,

and I invoke it whenever the need arises, as it did with you just then, your track record of swallowing rhetoric, unfounded theories and outright lies goes before you, at best you're very gullible...

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Quote: kirkstaller "
And if the HA of LA can't offer you suitable accommodation, why not look to the private sector?'"


Of course they can go to the private sector, providing they can find a private landlord willing to accept tenants in receipt of housing benefit. Unfortunately such landlords are and have been reducing in number.

Should they find a landlord willing to accpt HB tenants, they will invariably be paying more in rent than to a social housing provider. More rent equals more housing benefit. As I pointed out earlier, this is the stupidity of the proposals, more money will be spent in the name of savings.

Complete and utter fu[ic[/ikwittery

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At least some of the god squad (archbishopee person(s)) are understanding the immorality of this Governments welfare reform bill.

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Quote: JerryChicken "Well they've got you hooked, good and proper.

If you lived in Poland in 1939 you'd be pointing out your local Jews to the police as "social failures".'"


Little different from the Victorian belief that, if someone was poor, then it was their own fault and the result of them being sinful.

You can see how that would appeal to Krikstaller, can't you?

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Quote: kirkstaller "Why shouldn't two teenage boys share a room???

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Because sometimes daddy doesn't have the energy to bang both and you can't give something to one and not the other. Just ask them priest blokes.

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The polarisation between rich and poor will never be cut, ever since the days of Marx and Weber the idea of change and good communism, equal share has just been manipulated into an extreme ala Stalin. Public has given up hope over the last 6 years, remember barracades on the motorways when petrol went over a quid, now it is a £1.40 and nothing is said.

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Quote: Pat Bateman " remember barracades on the motorways when petrol went over a quid, now it is a £1.40 and nothing is said.'"


No and I suggest, neither can you unless you live in France

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Quote: Pat Bateman "The polarisation between rich and poor will never be cut, ever since the days of Marx and Weber the idea of change and good communism, equal share has just been manipulated into an extreme ala Stalin. Public has given up hope over the last 6 years, remember barracades on the motorways when petrol went over a quid, now it is a £1.40 and nothing is said.'"


I reckon they must be putting something in the water. It just seems that no body gives a fek anymore.

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Quote: kirkstaller "Figures can be distorted to say almost anything.

One such 'poorest citizen' is begging for sympathy in my local rag this week. He has children from a previous (unmarried) relationship,who stay with him and his new (unmarried) partner for only 3 nights a week. Therefore, the bedroom he needs for his first lot of nice bloke children is to be 'taxed' because, officially, they are not counted when calculating his housing benefit.

Behind nearly every story is a social failure. Sometimes it's the State's fault; more often than not it's the claimant's. The one thing which is certain is that 100% of the welfare bill is picked up by the taxpayer, who may have their own problems to deal with.'"

icon_lol.gif Aren't you supposed to be the Christian, you massive hypocrite?

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Quote: WormInHand "

What on earth makes you think that Christianity is at all benevolent ?

They freely admit to having nailed their only prophet to a tree at his own fathers request and it only got worse from that point on.

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He's one of these I'm afraid.



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Quote: JerryChicken "What on earth makes you think that Christianity is at all benevolent ?

They freely admit to having nailed their only prophet to a tree at his own fathers request and it only got worse from that point on.'"


My view on religion is underpinned by the thoughts of the two wise people below.
Quote: JerryChicken ""Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."'"

Quote: JerryChicken "Religion causes all the evil in the world.'"


Having said that, if a bloke called Jesus did live a couple of thousand years ago, all he appeared to say was, ' "Live and Let Live", be good to each other and treat others as you'd like to be treat yourself. Don't be cruel and selfish and try to see the bigger picture.' I think.

How that got ized into the horrific organizations perpetrating directly antithetical dogma to those fairly innocent words and who operate in the poor sod's name to boot I can't conceive.

However, any person claiming to follow the "true" word of Jesus, then coming out with the evil bile that Kirkstaller did then (yes, I can see he is a very prejudicial person anyway) is either deluded or a pharisee.

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How about, from a former, now deceased, singer songwriter?

[iGod is a concept
By which we measure our pain
I'll say it again
God is a concept
By which we measure
Our pain[/i

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Quote: Mintball "Little different from the Victorian belief that, if someone was poor, then it was their own fault and the result of them being sinful.'"

Except Kirkstaller's point was not about poverty but about choices. Children don't just happen. People choose to have them. If they have multiple children by multiple partners but expect the taxpayer to provide for all of them then while that protects the children, it excuses the adults from taking responsibility for their own choices. That has nothing to do with Victorian belief about poverty being equal to sinfulness.

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