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| Quote: ROBINSON "SO basically, he's damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't, in your opinion.
That's a bit silly, isn't it?'"
Let's be clear though: what you have suggested is not even opinion, but the foisting of a scenario from a different case onto this one. |
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| Quote: cod'ead "If this is correct
OK, I get what you're saying.
So you're saying he should refuse to do the warning, then possibly end up with a warning (or worse) himself?
That said, for both parties, there will be a right to appeal, which is all well and good, if not a pain in the arsse to go through.
What none of us know, is the boss's attitude to it all. Did he ring and say "look, I'm sorry, but I HAVE to give you a warning as it's policy, but you can appeal, I'll back you up, you should be ok and I believe the policy is rubbish" or did he say "you're off sick, I'm warning you, tough titty"
There's a world of difference between those two attitudes - the former is not that of an imbecile, but the latter certainly would be.
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| I think we could deduce that her boss was a clown by the fact the words works for local authority were used  |
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| Just looked up my companys for an example
Quote: " There are 3 clear stages to the trigger system
The RRTWI is fairly common these days and a good way to cover both parties in a semi-informal way, a good chance to discuss any problmes, but is not disciplinary.
The File Note is similar, but more formal, but still not disciplinary.
Trigger point 3 is and thats for 4 absences, but thats only if theres no great reason. If there is good reason then its referred to our Occ Health advisors etc
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"You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
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"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." [i:2886spie]Oscar Wilde[/i:2886spie]
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| Quote: Hutchie "I think we could deduce that her boss was a clown by the fact the words works for local authority were used ![]()
As opposed to, say, the bloke who runs Iceland?
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"You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
"Dare to know!" [i:2886spie]Immanuel Kant[/i:2886spie]
"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" [i:2886spie]Elbert Hubbard[/i:2886spie]
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." [i:2886spie]Oscar Wilde[/i:2886spie]
[url=http://thevoluptuousmanifesto.blogspot.co.uk:2886spie][color=#4000FF:2886spie]The Voluptuous Manifesto[/color:2886spie][/url:2886spie] – thoughts on all sorts of stuff.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1977.jpg |
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| Quote: ROBINSON "... What none of us know... '"
... is very much. You're assuming, for instance, that the boss did not decide to make the call off his own bat.
You don't know that. Neither do I. He might have been told to do it. He might not have. But you're making an assumption. |
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| Quote: ROBINSON "OK, I get what you're saying.
So you're saying he should refuse to do the warning, then possibly end up with a warning (or worse) himself?
That said, for both parties, there will be a right to appeal, which is all well and good, if not a pain in the arsse to go through.
What none of us know, is the boss's attitude to it all. Did he ring and say "look, I'm sorry, but I HAVE to give you a warning as it's policy, but you can appeal, I'll back you up, you should be ok and I believe the policy is rubbish" or did he say "you're off sick, I'm warning you, tough titty"
There's a world of difference between those two attitudes - the former is not that of an imbecile, but the latter certainly would be.'"
Any of that SHOULD be done when someone returns to work or be dealt with by HR, the manager here has over stepped his authority. |
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| Quote: Mintball "... is very much. You're assuming, for instance, that the boss did not decide to make the call off his own bat.
You don't know that. Neither do I. He might have been told to do it. He might not have. But you're making an assumption.'"
Lets have a think about this
I know where you work, you know what I do, we both know what ROBINSON does.......
waste of time anyone? |
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| Quote: Standee "Lets have a think about this
I know where you work, you know what I do, we both know what ROBINSON does.......
waste of time anyone?'"
I'd say lettings are a bit quiet and the girls in the office are having none of his "shenanigans" after the whole Rennard thing...  |
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| Quote: rover49 "Anyone help on this.
My wife had an accident at work and ended up with a fracture and a pot on, she has been on sick with it for 4 weeks and does not get the pot off for another 4 weeks. Her boss (local authority) rang her today to tell her that he is giving her a formal warning for her sick record (last sick was 3 years ago), which has really upset her.
Can they do this, especially as she did it working for them.
Her work mates had told her to claim, but she refused saying it was an accident and no-one was to blame. Loyalty eh!!'"
Hope you get things sorted. |
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| Quote: Mintball "As opposed to, say, the bloke who runs Iceland?'"
Whats Malcolm Walker go to do with this ? |
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| I've done more than my fair share of disciplinaries over the years and effectively handed out a few P45s as well within private industry (they all deserved it btw...).
However I'm struggling to think of how the proceeding events ended up with the line manager of an employee (who has a broken leg from a work place incident that also might well be her employer's fault) rings up to tell said employee that she is getting a formal warning for what is clearly an unreturnable injury.
Even with the flag for number of days absent there is no plausible scenario (that I can think of) that would even remotely allow this to happen given the facts (on the face of what Rover49 has stated)
Firstly don't worry, she has done nothing wrong and is not in any trouble whatsoever, it clearly looks like mismangement and the line manager is a plank for not questioning such if he has had an instruction to ring with a formal warning.
If you can remember take a note of the time of the call and write down who said what to the recipient at your end.
Wait to see what if anything comes through the post, in the meantime contact your union representive and have an informal chat about the events as they happened and let them do the work to find out why someone is ringing you up threatening your wife with a formal written warning.
Hopefully will hit the fan and profuse apologies to follow (choccies and flowers wouldn't go amiss)
If you get no joy from the union (unlikely) contact ACAS and/or Unison direct at head office, I think that is the union involved for the local authorities..
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| Quote: cod'ead "If this is correct
Union now taking it up, the local full time official was astounded at the call and is to investigate. Apparently, they can give formal warnings after 35 days (even if its an accident at work), but he said procedures have not been followed and the call, initially about her wellbeing should not have introduced any hint of disciplinary measures.
He also said that even though they can formally warn, in the case of an accident at work it is highly unlikely to end in losing her job and is a formality they have to follow, which he didn't explain, leaving my beloved in a state of worry.
I concur with your description.
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"You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
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