We already know you'll be registering for them once again next time round JC.

The scary thing in this country is the amount of people who have actually given up on, or have no interest in, politics.

With the state this country is in and with such an uncertain future, you would think we should have a very high turnout at any upcoming election, yet its highly likely that come any election, we will see a record low turnout....With that in mind, it could be argued that any government are actually there by default, just stumbling along, knowing full well that they can inflict their ill thought out policies without much response, bar the political anoraks in the media.

The sad thing is, there is nobody who appears capable of inspiring people back to the ballot box - Cameron and Osborne are just a pair of upper class chancers, helped by a mainly supportive press, Milliband is unelectable simply because he is totally charisma free and Clegg is a combination of those mentioned.

It comes to something when the country's most popular politician is Boris Johnson, a man who most typifies the bumbling mess that this country has got itself into.....Its almost as if people think he represents best the state of politics today - A joke, and just there for laughs.

the lib dems courted and to a large extent relied upon the student vote in 2010 and Cleggs pledge was a large part of that strategy. The lib dems treachery wont be forgotten on any campus. The lib dems also attracted a large part of the labour vote as a protets against the banking collapse by people who couldn't bring themselves to switch to the toxic tories. A significant proportion of that vote will switch back to labour

The major point being that those who are most affected by the student fees, this years intake, were 14 or 15 years old at the last election, do they hold a grudge, do they recall any of it at all - the students of 2015 will have been 12 or 13 years of age when Clegg made his promise, do you know any 12 year olds with an interest in politics enough to form their allegiences at that age ?

By 2015 student fees will be the norm, no-one blinks even now when signing up for £27,000 worth of education and the idea that the postman should not have to pay for your further education seems to have won over a self-centred electorate.

Labour wouldn't have cut public services as far as this Government has. They wouldn't have tripled University fees. They wouldn't have wasted money on back-to-work schemes that aren't working. They wouldn't have siphoned off vast sums of public money to their mates in the private sector. They wouldn't have public money funding private schools. They wouldn't have a nutjob busy trying to turn education back 50 years. They wouldn't have screwed over the NHS. They wouldn't be contemplating the privatisation of emergency services. They wouldn't have wasted money on elected 'crime commissioners' that nobody wants.

That's just off the top of my head, and just the things affecting 'middle England'. If you add in the disgraceful actions of that scrotum IDS, demonising the disabled and the unemployed, it's hard to see how the majority of people in this country wouldn't be better off.

And I neither voted for the last 2 Labour administrations nor for Labour at the last election.

My kids are 16 and 19. They both know exactly who they blame for student fees rising and who betrayed a pledge. And they are both fully aware of the implications of graduating with a mountain of debt.

They won't be voting LibDem any time soon.

Quote: The Video Ref "So, Moody's downgrade the UK's credit rating. They cite one of the main reasons as being our high levels of debt.'" The two main reasons are low growth. Read it here: www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-d ... -PR_266844 Debt only gets mentioned in point three as the main factor in our predicted inability to cope with any future economic problems. At least Moody's know that you can't cut debt without growth, even if our Chancellor is too economically illiterate to realise it.

Quote: The Video Ref "So, Moody's downgrade the UK's credit rating. They cite one of the main reasons as being our high levels of debt.'" The two main reasons are low growth. Read it here: www.moodys.com/research/Moodys-d ... -PR_266844 Debt only gets mentioned in point three as the main factor in our predicted inability to cope with any future economic problems. At least Moody's know that you can't cut debt without growth, even if our Chancellor is too economically illiterate to realise it.

The reason why no has is interested in politics is because of the appallingly low calibre of our politicians and their propensity to destroy eveything good about the country.

The problem with both Labour and the Tories is that they both ignore the poor and cynically suck up to the miiddle simply to get elected. Neither party tries to be positive and rebuild a great nation taking the people en masse on a journey , largely because both parties are infested by low-grade individuals who could not build anything.

Has an ex Coal Miner from Doncaster and naturally a Labour supporter I must admit our local MPs Milliband, Flint and Winterton are non existent on policies when this lot in power are in the mire. Only one guy seems to beat the drum and that is John Mann who took the expenses scandal forward and exposes every mistake this lot do in power, Credit rating taken away and the country in collapse ., come on Milliband or move on.

They will almost certainly lose the student vote and the left of centre want-an-alternative-to-New-Labour-because-of-the-Iraq-War vote. But they won't go to the Tories.

If Clegg hadn't sold his soul for a Ministerial limo, they might have gone with the Lib Dems

General point about these ratings is they are more important for private firms than for governments. The idea of a credit rating from an agency is to solve information problems for potential investors, if you want to lend to sally cinnamon enterprises you might not know much about its financial viability so an independent credit rating agency giving a rating of Aaa or Ba3 etc tells you whether it's investment grade (safe) or speculative grade (take your chances).

However if you want to lend to a government there is much more information available about the viability of a government to allow you to assess the risk of whether or not the government is going to default. Potential investors will be guided by this rather than the credit ratings. Hence it hasn't hit the US.

The main problem for Osborne is a political one, he is the only chancellor that has ever gone on about the importance of protecting our AAA rating and has used this as justification of his success "credibility in my strategy has been endorsed by us keeping our credit rating" and also as an attack on Labour because under Labour the AAA rating was put on 'negative watch' but never removed. Now of course he has egg on his face because the UK has lost its AAA rating for the first time since 1978 and he has to try and argue that 'credit ratings aren't that important anyway'.

Osborne has to change his position on things all the time, up to 2007 he was pledging to match Labour's spending plans, after 2008 he changed his position to "Labour spent too much". In 2006 he was writing an article in the Times saying that the UK should model its economy on Ireland, in 2011 he was warning that if we didn't follow his approach the UK would end up in the same position as Ireland.

These kind of inconsistencies mean he doesn't even have much credibility from his own side, right wingers see him as a light weight. He is a Chancellor out of his depth.

No one is going to vote in the next election with reference to the Iraq war.

The election was in 2010 and my son who went to Uni in Sept was 16. So you should ask my son. Of course he holds a grudge. He is affected now and he knows what went on before in terms of fees and what was said at the election. It's naive to think this years students do not know who put the fees up and who said they would scrap them but them didn't.



The propaganda may well have worked outside of the student population - and their families but not within it.

And as to £27,000, where do get that figure from? After three years on the [iminimum[/i maintenance loan the debt ends up as over £56,000 due to a real rate of interest being charged and it compounding.

If you think people seeing their indebtedness going up like that is going to be ignored by those affected I think you are mistaken.