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A good friend who served 26 years in the navy was 'offered' the MBE for his service (it traditionally goes to senior warrant officers), but he declined. The navy was not 'amused', he left shortly afterwards. I asked him why he knocked it back as it would look great on his CV for work in civvy life, he said that he had only ever known 'ar$holes' who had received it and didn't want to be in that club.

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How come Martin Offiah is only OBE, he should be Knight, Emperor and Imperial Magister of the Commonwealth with all the tries he ran in. Is riding a bike really more of an achievement than what Offiah did over his career, taking his sport to new levels.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "Is riding a bike really more of an achievement than what Offiah did over his career, taking his sport to new levels.'"


It depends if you think riding a bike (something you have to learn to do) is less important than being able to run (something we naturally are capable of) and fall over with a ball in your hand. icon_biggrin.gif

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Offiah: Iffy tackler. Terrible passer. Never saw him kick. Sh*thouse and drama queen at times. Outstanding world-beating runner. Great showman.

Does that make him a great rugby league player? The jury is out, but he was a phenomenon and a Wigan legend. Still love him, the attention-seeking geek.

Either way, cinnamon is trolling as usual. icon_wink.gif

Wiggins: well deserved.

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Quote: sally cinnamon "How come Martin Offiah is only OBE, he should be Knight, Emperor and Imperial Magister of the Commonwealth with all the tries he ran in. Is riding a bike really more of an achievement than what Offiah did over his career, taking his sport to new levels.'"


He should have got the CDM (Crap Defence Medal)

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rlThe paralympians have noticed the disparityrl

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Quote: Chris28 "It is, but 4 golds normally
I guess the problem is that there were effectively multiple Hoys at London 2012 across both comps. Where to draw the line? In some cases the decision has been justified by saying that certain Para/Olympians still have time in their careers to add to their achievements. I suppose had we not had such a glut of gold medals at a home Games then maybe more would have been knighted? I don't know, but it could be a reason.

Quote: Chris28 "And love him or loathe him, Murray should have got a CBE. First British male Wimbledon finalist for years, gold medallist and first British Grand Slam winner for over 75 years.'"

I don't think so. I think Murray was pitched correctly at OBE. Those above him in the structure had achieved more IMO. I would have placed Christiansen in the CBE slot myself given her double achievement in a field we have consistently failed at bearing in mind her disability makes it God knows how many times more difficult to control a horse at the most basic level never mind in a dressage ring.

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Quote: cod'ead "rlThe paralympians have noticed the disparityrl'"

David Weir has tweeted following the quoted element of his comments in your link, clarifying that his only point was that he thought Sarah Storey should have been awarded her damehood earlier than she has been, and I think he is right. But Pearson is just a whinger. He will whinge about everything and IMO is embarrassing the Paralympians.

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Quote: JerryChicken "I love the story of how he declined both flavours of government five times in thirteen years, each offer being increased until he finally declined a knighthood in 1968 stating that he wished "to remain unchanged", Harold Wilson must have thought "WTF can we offer this bloke now ?"

I've never knowingly spoken to a "Sir" but if I did then I wouldn't address him as such, nor would I if I were ever to write to one other than the normal "Dear Sir" that everyone gets.

I once stood next to Lord Harewood in a queue for a cash machine if that counts ?

Didn't talk to him though.'"


I remember, years ago, waiting at a bus stop when the bloke waiting beside me announced out of the blue that he was a "Sir", I'm not entirely sure he appreciated my utter lack of falling to my knees in awe, or indeed the passing of any comment concerning this revelation.

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Is 10 Paralympic golds easier to achieve than 4 olympic golds, maybe this is taken into account when deciding. Can you ever imagine seeing a single athlete competing at 400, 800, 1500 & marathon. Sarah Storey deserves her award for more than the golds she has won, she is fantastic role model for all not just disabled people and was my sports personality of the year.

I don't think you can equate the two areas equally any more than you can female and ale boxers or footballers, they are different not equal any awards should reflect this

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Quote: sally cinnamon "How come Martin Offiah is only OBE, he should be Knight, Emperor and Imperial Magister of the Commonwealth with all the tries he ran in. Is riding a bike really more of an achievement than what Offiah did over his career, taking his sport to new levels.'"


The bike riders have beat the very best in the world when it really mattered, can't really say that about Martin? Playing in the only full time team also gave him a bit of an unfair advantage would you not say?

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Quote: Neil HFC "I remember, years ago, waiting at a bus stop when the bloke waiting beside me announced out of the blue that he was a "Sir", I'm not entirely sure he appreciated my utter lack of falling to my knees in awe, or indeed the passing of any comment concerning this revelation.'"


A couple of weeks ago I'd sold a box of skate wings to a woman and I asked her for her name for the receipt. She gave it and as I was writing Mrs she stated "it's Lady actually". Turns out she's the daughter of the 3rd Duke of Fife, great, great, great granddaughter of Queen Victoria, cousin to the Queen and godmother to Prince Edward's daughter. Her old man's a good stick though, spitting image of James Whatisface from Bargain Hunt

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Quote: rover49 "

I don't think you can equate the two areas equally any more than you can female and ale boxers or footballers, they are different not equal any awards should reflect this'"



If that ever does become an Olympic sport, the UK is going to rule all!

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Quote: rover49 "Can you ever imagine seeing a single athlete competing at 400, 800, 1500 & marathon. '"

David Weir did, and won them all. In terms of able bodied athletics, the 800 and 1500 often get linked together (Seb Coe being an example of the ability to achieve in both), while the marathon can be a natural step from the 10,000. Mo Farah managed a gold in both the 5,000m and 10,000m within the space of a week, so I would imagine it isn't impossible. Has anyone ever tried?

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Quote: rover49 "Is 10 Paralympic golds easier to achieve than 4 olympic golds, maybe this is taken into account when deciding. Can you ever imagine seeing a single athlete competing at 400, 800, 1500 & marathon. Sarah Storey deserves her award for more than the golds she has won, she is fantastic role model for all not just disabled people and was my sports personality of the year.

I don't think you can equate the two areas equally any more than you can female and ale boxers or footballers, they are different not equal any awards should reflect this'"


I dont think the criteria should be purely number of medals. Its just "easier" (relatively) to win lots of medals in some events than others eg I think Redgrave's achievements were greater than Hoy's.

I still think that gongs for sportsmen and women should only be awarded at the end of their careers.

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Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds-Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield-Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
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14:30
Wakefield-St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
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20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
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