Possibly not to OK such things in the first place. It's dripping with hatred for the oiks. Even if he didn't write it (I don't know, I'll admit) then as editor he nodded it through. It's the worst kind of bar room bo**ocks dressed up in flowery writing.

Nothing!

And if I was a Liverpudlian or a friend or family of one of the deceased, absolutely nothing!

McKenzie did the same, with his own (sick) embellishment

Yes it was an ill judges article, and I don't agree with the content but many people did at that time.

As I say, he's apologised - twice surely that should be it. Surely the last thing thats needed is hyperbole and the condemnation of anyone that has ever said or written anything about Liverpool supporters.

You best re-read that article if you think it was only relating to football supporters.

I was talking in general, still my point stands, what do you want from him? it was written (not by him) 8 years ago.

Nothing!

I fully understand the mentality of his thought process.

I know where he came from.

If you go back further, you could say that hooliganism came from 1960s liberalism.

To not have been such a b&stard in the first place. He's from an incredibly privileged background and benefitted massively from that, I would expect anyone, never mind someone from such a background to show a bit more responsibility when in such a role. That piece has no evidence to back it up and is further evidence if it were needed of what kind of people were and still are in positions of responsibility within British media.

Similarly, if 96 policemen had died, or even a tenth of that figure, you can bet your life that heads would have rolled within days.

He's apologised - twice, he was wrong he admitted that, everyone makes mistakes, his was irresponsible, it just seems ridiculous to focus on this rather than the absolutely disgusting things done by the authorities.

I don't think anyone is focussing on it, just because it's not the most important area doesn't mean it should be ignored. Partly because it's a nod towards what Mintball and Jerry were saying re class warfare.

But there are a lot of 'working class' people that held the same view about Liverpool as a city, and also the same about the Liverpool fans at hillsborough.

I was at Hillsborough, as I was the previous year. The previous year, fans were checked for tickets at the top of Leppings Lane by the police, if you did not have a ticket, you were not allowed past. The following year, there was no ticketing checks.

Whilst welcoming the panel's verdict, a few things do not sit pretty with me.
1/ The media response. A lot in the media have come onto various phone-ins in the last 24 hours, saying they knew the truth about Hillsborough. Well why did it keep it quiet and leave it to the families, 2 politicians and Brian Reade?
2/ Unfortunately, the feelings of some LFC fans there that day. I too find it sad and distressing, but don't call yourself survivors. Like me, you were lucky, as I was at Heysel aswell.
3/ What are the accounts of Bernard Ingram, Douglas Hurd and Thatcher? What were their conversions with South Yorkshire police? imo, Thatcher was backing the police as a thank you for their support during the miners' strike 5 years earlier.
4/ The cheap apologies ( except Camerons) from SWFC, the police etc. Why has it taken you 23 years to do so? Was you told to apologise?
5/ The sun's headline today.. Not acceptable. " WE LIED." would have been more suitable.

as for Kelvin MacKenzie Murdoch's puppet and yes man.

Which was why the word 'hooligan' was derived from a 19th century music hall song – in the 19th century.