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| Quote: Him "Who was the target of the Omagh bomb?'"
You mean this one
The Omagh bombing was a car bomb attack carried out by the Real Irish Republican Army (RIRA), a splinter group of former Provisional Irish Republican Army members opposed to the Good Friday Agreement, on Saturday 15 August 1998.
A bomb planted by people whpo were trying to undermine the PEACE process being put forward by Martin McGuiness
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| Yes I do mean that one. You were suggesting in your post that for some reason people shouldn't criticise McGuiness or other Irishmen because the British have superior technology that has killed innocent civilians in wars.
So why not answer the question - who was the target of Omagh bomb?
Or if you prefer, who was the target of the pub bombings? Or the Manchester bomb? Or the Warrington bomb?
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| Don't waste your time Him.
Apparently the history of the British empire makes us all legitimate targets.
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| Quote: WIZEB "I wonder if she'll apologise to him for her Governments part in Bloody Sunday?'"
I reckon she should wait until McGuinness apologises for the cowardly murders of Tim Parry, Jonathan Ball, the wives and kids on the M62 bus and many others first.
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| Quote: WIZEB "A Scottish protestant by any chance DMW?
I'm sorry but I couldn't help singing along:
"Oh the famous Wizeb's father went to Rome to see the Pope"
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| I see Liz wore green for the occasion, although there is a rumour that she was wearing orange drawers to appease the Unionists
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| Quote: cod'ead "I'm sorry but I couldn't help singing along
A hefty fine, stitches in his head and a bad hangover I'm led to believe....Fooking eejit!
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| Quote: Durham Giant "If only the bog trotters had some nice new shiny, precision targeted tomohawk missiles. With a good PR machine they could even have avoided all this guff about innocent civillians and just talked aboput collateral damage.
Thank God England is so civilised.'"
England is, in general, pretty civilised, as is Ireland.
McGuinness isn't.
I don't blame the average Irishman for bombing England because I reckon most of them weren't in favour of killing and, by the same token, I don't blame the average Englishman (like, say, you or me) for bombing Iraq.
As for collateral damage, I do recall the IRA saying that the deaths of the children in Warrington were a regrettable cost of war (same weasel excuse as collateral damage) ... which was cynical bollox, who the hell did they expect to kill with a bomb outside a town centre McDonalds on a Saturday?
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| Quote: Him "Yes I do mean that one. You were suggesting in your post that for some reason people shouldn't criticise McGuiness or other Irishmen because the British have superior technology that has killed innocent civilians in wars.
So why not answer the question - who was the target of Omagh bomb?
Or if you prefer, who was the target of the pub bombings? Or the Manchester bomb? Or the Warrington bomb?'"
I dont know. why dont you ask the people who planted the bombs. I am sure they would have swapped them though, for a few tomohak cruise missiles or submarines and torpedoes.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "Don't waste your time Him.
Apparently the history of the British empire makes us all legitimate targets.'"
to be honest it is Britains current actions which are making everyone in the UK a legitimate target.
happy to kill a million Iraqi civillians and now happy to fight and support proxy wars in Syria. Sod the poor syrians there all mussies anyway.
Quite happy to support British actions then you cannot complain when the chickens come home to roost.
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| Quote: El Barbudo "England is, in general, pretty civilised, as is Ireland.
McGuinness isn't.I don't blame the average Irishman for bombing England because I reckon most of them weren't in favour of killing and, by the same token, I don't blame the average Englishman (like, say, you or me) for bombing Iraq.
As for collateral damage, I do recall the IRA saying that the deaths of the children in Warrington were a regrettable cost of war (same weasel excuse as collateral damage) ... which was cynical bollox, who the hell did they expect to kill with a bomb outside a town centre McDonalds on a Saturday?'"
without McGuiness there would have been NO good friday settlement. McG could deliver the vast majority of the IRA and Republican movement in a way Gerry Adams could not.
I do not really se much difference between McGuinness, Mandela and Begum. All terrorists who went down a different route
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| Quote: Durham Giant "I do not really se much difference between McGuinness [and] Mandela'"
Do you model yourself on a character from Four Lions?
Cos that's exactly how you sound throughout this thread.
Rubber dinghy rapids, bro.
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| Quote: El Barbudo "... I don't blame the average Irishman for bombing England because I reckon most of them weren't in favour of killing and, by the same token, I don't blame the average Englishman (like, say, you or me) for bombing Iraq...'"
I'd agree with this.
But I would equally suggest that what was done in the name of all those people was often pretty dismal.
Are we really all saying that, in a comparable situation, we'd simply buckle under and, after it became clear that a political solution had been rejected, not think (at the least) about other means?
Fair enough, we're not talking in the same terms as apartheid, but we are talking about a state-sanctioned situation that had a direct, concrete – and negative – impact on the lives of a particular group of ordinary people.
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| If you have a quarrel with the actions of a state, then take aim at the machinery of the state by all means.
Slaughtering its defenceless civilians is never justifiable or defendable.
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| Quote: Andy Gilder "If you have a quarrel with the actions of a state, then take aim at the machinery of the state by all means.
Slaughtering its defenceless civilians is never justifiable or defendable.'"
Agreed. Whether it was Harris blanket bombing Dresden. The 'shock and awe' of Iraq, or on a far tinier scale, innocents being blown to smithereens on the British mainland.
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