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| We've got a very long history of allowing Middle Eastern dictators to commit atrocities and as Rober Fisk says
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1977_1349889235.jpg "You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
"Dare to know!" [i:2886spie]Immanuel Kant[/i:2886spie]
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| Quote: cod'ead "We've got a very long history of allowing Middle Eastern dictators to commit atrocities and as Rober Fisk says'"
He does not, however, suggest a solution and, indeed, touches on the problems that interference have caused.
I very much suspect many would prefer Assad to remain in power anyway – better the devil you know etc – especially with the growing political power of the Muslim Brotherhood (and others) in Egypt and questions still waiting to be answered about what that will mean.
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| Quote: cod'ead "We've got a very long history of allowing Middle Eastern dictators to commit atrocities and as Rober Fisk says'"
Fisk is right, but I completely disagree that we are "allowing" anything. In the context of all the various things which are going on in many sovereign states around the globe, saying we are "allowing" all those things is not a fair or correct use of "allowing". They aren't under our control.
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1977_1349889235.jpg "You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
"Dare to know!" [i:2886spie]Immanuel Kant[/i:2886spie]
"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" [i:2886spie]Elbert Hubbard[/i:2886spie]
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." [i:2886spie]Oscar Wilde[/i:2886spie]
[url=http://thevoluptuousmanifesto.blogspot.co.uk:2886spie][color=#4000FF:2886spie]The Voluptuous Manifesto[/color:2886spie][/url:2886spie] – thoughts on all sorts of stuff.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1977.jpg |
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| Quote: Ferocious Aardvark "Fisk is right, but I completely disagree that we are "allowing" anything. In the context of all the various things which are going on in many sovereign states around the globe, saying we are "allowing" all those things is not a fair or correct use of "allowing". They aren't under our control.'"
Very good point.
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| Quote: "How about what [iyou[/i would suggest?'"
I suggest the commencement of air strikes on military targets in Syria, akin to the operations in Libya.
Quote: "You want to bomb more people? You want to invade, perhaps?'"
Yese i am all for bombing mass murderers and tyrants.
Quote: "Where next? Anywhere else with nasty leaders who do nasty things?'"
Iran. Then any other dictatorship.
Quote: "The interfering of nations in the internal politics of other sovereign states has frequently worsened such situations in the past – see Iran as but one example – why would it be any different this time?'"
Generally the interference of nations in the internal politics of other sovereign states has improved the situationOn top of that, consider this
NHS and EU funding.
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1977_1349889235.jpg "You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
"Dare to know!" [i:2886spie]Immanuel Kant[/i:2886spie]
"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" [i:2886spie]Elbert Hubbard[/i:2886spie]
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." [i:2886spie]Oscar Wilde[/i:2886spie]
[url=http://thevoluptuousmanifesto.blogspot.co.uk:2886spie][color=#4000FF:2886spie]The Voluptuous Manifesto[/color:2886spie][/url:2886spie] – thoughts on all sorts of stuff.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1977.jpg |
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| Quote: David Titan "I suggest the commencement of air strikes on military targets in Syria, akin to the operations in Libya...'"
I bet you got a stiffy just at the thought.
Quote: David Titan "NHS and EU funding.'"
I bet you got a stiffy just at the thought.
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28995_1336988015.jpg Christianity: because you're so awful you made God kill himself.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_28995.jpg |
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| Quote: Mintball "Quote: Mintball "I suggest the commencement of air strikes on military targets in Syria, akin to the operations in Libya...'"
I bet you got a stiffy just at the thought.
Quote: Mintball "NHS and EU funding.'"
I bet you got a stiffy just at the thought.'"
Not as big as the one he gets when the GT hits his doormat.
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| Are we really going to fall for this con trick again?
I mean, Assad is a pretty ty guy but there's nothing new here. Once again the BBC and the usual crop of major domestic news outlets are playing their roles of war propagandists. The Beeb has been running front page, position one stories on Syria for months whilst any number of atrocities are taking place in other parts of the world.
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'when my life is over, the thing which will have given me greatest pride is that I was first to plunge into the sea, swimming freely underwater without any connection to the terrestrial world'
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| Quote: Mugwump "Are we really going to fall for this con trick again?
I mean, Assad is a pretty ty guy but there's nothing new here. Once again the BBC and the usual crop of major domestic news outlets are playing their roles of war propagandists. The Beeb has been running front page, position one stories on Syria for months whilst any number of atrocities are taking place in other parts of the world.'"
Most likely to have an impact on the west, laudable as it is to be concerned at atrocities being carried out with machetes on some remote border in Africa or South America, it is not hurting our national interests as the politicians see it.
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I bet you got a stiffy just at the thought.'"
I'm pretty sure he didn't get one at the thought of you.
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1977_1349889235.jpg "You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
"Dare to know!" [i:2886spie]Immanuel Kant[/i:2886spie]
"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" [i:2886spie]Elbert Hubbard[/i:2886spie]
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." [i:2886spie]Oscar Wilde[/i:2886spie]
[url=http://thevoluptuousmanifesto.blogspot.co.uk:2886spie][color=#4000FF:2886spie]The Voluptuous Manifesto[/color:2886spie][/url:2886spie] – thoughts on all sorts of stuff.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1977.jpg |
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| Quote: Dally "I'm pretty sure he didn't get one at the thought of you.'"
It would have been more likely to be over you.
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| Quote: Mintball "It would have been more likely to be over you.'"
Why?
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1977_1349889235.jpg "You are working for Satan." [i:2886spie]Kirkstaller[/i:2886spie]
"Dare to know!" [i:2886spie]Immanuel Kant[/i:2886spie]
"Do not take life too seriously. You will never get out of it alive" [i:2886spie]Elbert Hubbard[/i:2886spie]
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." [i:2886spie]Oscar Wilde[/i:2886spie]
[url=http://thevoluptuousmanifesto.blogspot.co.uk:2886spie][color=#4000FF:2886spie]The Voluptuous Manifesto[/color:2886spie][/url:2886spie] – thoughts on all sorts of stuff.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_1977.jpg |
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| Some further thoughts.
• What you do do is to support, if possible, any opposition that you can find evidence is representative of the bulk of the people. And you do it in terms of what [ithey[/i ask.
So for instance, there are trades unions in Europe that are providing support, as asked for, by Zimbawean unions. These things make a difference. But they're not 'sexy' and headline-making. And they are based on not just responding to anyone asking for anything, but involve groups with provable mass support, and not, say, providing arms. I mentioned Zimbabwe – where the unions and progressive organisations asked for union movement in the UK, and this has been very active (as asked) in supporting the campaign on sanitary protection for women.
Now that in itself might sound really rather strange, but rlhererl is some more information on this quite specific issue. It might not seem obviously linked to the struggle in that country for real democracy and against Mugabe, but it is.
• You also have to try to be consistent – and to have an ethical approach to foreign policy (as we were promised but never given, by New Labour. So for instance, you don't give bleedin' recruitment gifts to the likes of al-Queda and its ilk by attacking the likes of Iraq (which you previously supported) and ignoring the behaviour of the state of Israel. And to say that Israel has behaved appallingly is NOT a sign of support for Islamic fundamentalism and it is NOT anti-semitism.
• You stop thinking in the shortest term possible. So for instance, the 'threat' in Afghanistan (and elsewhere within the Islamic world) might have been reduced at this point in time, but we have NOT eradicated it; it will almost certainly emerge again. And in the process of reaching this stage, we have wasted countless lives on both sides.
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| Quote: rover49 "Most likely to have an impact on the west, laudable as it is to be concerned at atrocities being carried out with machetes on some remote border in Africa or South America, it is not hurting our national interests as the politicians see it.'"
What are our "national interests"?
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| Quote: Mintball "I bet you got a stiffy just at the thought.
I bet you got a stiffy just at the thought.'"
Nah, contrary to socialists (who get very excited about the prospect of stealing from the rich in order to give to the government - as if David Cameron really needs the extra money) those of us on the political right dont get turned on by specific policies.
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